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    Posted: 23 May 18 at 3:17pm
Originally posted by mozzy

A mirror is over 6k, a cadet is well over 6k. Mirror no longer has RYA supported squad I believe. 
A topper is 3.2k
An optimist is 3.4k
So basically, if you have two kids who want to race, and you want to buy a new boat, then a Feva is probably the cheapest option. 


If your kids don't get along, and having them stuck in 12ft of each other will result in the boat returning to shore with only one aboard, then you can just about get a pair of Tera new for the same price as a Feva depending how many options you tick.
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All boats are expensive.
All boats depreciate and have finite economcial lives.
But you don't need a brand new boat for oiks to bash around training.
My Laser is alright for club racing, it cost me less than 1/3 of the brand new price.
I'd guess there are Fevas out there which have done a year or three at the front of the fleet for about half price.

There are probably cheaper options if you are able to put time into maintenance.
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Jack said they're a rip off because a Farr is only slightly more expensive. 

But, the reality is, if you want a boat for two kids to race the feva is on the lower end of the price range. 
 
The problem with the cadet, mirror and oppy, is they were designed as something you could make at home for low cost (albeit a decent time expenditure). But once professional builders take over people always purchase on performance and quality. This is true for most open manufacturer classes and means they seldom end up being cheaper than a SMOD where the manufacture has a monopoly over that class. 

At the moment the Farr doesn't seem to have terribly many builders or a massively competitive racing circuit. If it does develop more builders and more racing, people will pay more for the faster boats and the price will go up. 



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Yes but.. And I don't even know how it is we are talking comparisons between a roto moulded childs beach toy and a sophisticated carbon based race machine, the one has economies of scale is sold in volume, often grant assisted and I would guess has quite a low spec of roly bits and sticks on it whilst the other certainly in the case of mine is all carbon topside with decent blocks and hand fared foils.

Are they even in the same price range then?

I had been considering trying my hand at flogging them on my website, but they are a little on the specialist side and I still haven't raced mine in 'normal' conditions yet so haven't quite worked up the enthusiasm for the challenge.
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A mirror is over 6k, a cadet is well over 6k. Mirror no longer has RYA supported squad I believe. 

A topper is 3.2k

An optimist is 3.4k

So basically, if you have two kids who want to race, and you want to buy a new boat, then a Feva is probably the cheapest option. 
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Originally posted by L123456

How does one work a Farr into the discussion on Feva masts. Top ramping. 

Well, it is sort of relevant. The point I was making (and iGRF was helping out with) was that very small builders, with higher quality products (like Farr 3.7s), are proportionally not that more expensive than a monopolized large scale builder. And so the parts costs of these products are not subsidising the initial purchase price at all. The purchase price and the parts are both expensive by comparsion. 

Yes, but completely different business models.

The builder of a Farr 3.7 has no R&D costs to recover, the market is made by the class association and they don't have to run the overheads of a big business and create and run a regatta schedule.

With a Feva you are buying into a much more integrated package ....

I think yo have to compare the complete package not just the core product....
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If it really is £5900 complete that is remarkable value for money, especially with the likes of Blaze and H2 costing not that far off double that figure (a new Blaze costs £11800 by the time you've added a carbon mast, boom, tiller extension, covers and combi trailer). All the prices on the Butler Boats site are POA and as I'm not in the market for one I won't bother them with spurious enquiries.

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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Originally posted by Neal_g

5337 for a feva with trolley top cover
2nd hand farr 3.7 4900
Not that much cheaper plus what sail etc
Costs can be cut everywhere doesn't mean it's better


£5900 plus rig plus trolly band cover for a 3.7 (and does that £5900 include foils?) so nearer £8k I would have said and add another £2k if you want a carbon boat. But, it's still 150%-180% the price of a feva (which is, TBF, much what I would have expected).

+ Rig?
Yes foils included

But this is hijacking a Feva thread.
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Originally posted by Neal_g

5337 for a feva with trolley top cover
2nd hand farr 3.7 4900
Not that much cheaper plus what sail etc
Costs can be cut everywhere doesn't mean it's better


£5900 plus rig plus trolly band cover for a 3.7 (and does that £5900 include foils?) so nearer £8k I would have said and add another £2k if you want a carbon boat. But, it's still 150%-180% the price of a feva (which is, TBF, much what I would have expected).


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Originally posted by L123456

How does one work a Farr into the discussion on Feva masts. Top ramping. 

Well, it is sort of relevant. The point I was making (and iGRF was helping out with) was that very small builders, with higher quality products (like Farr 3.7s), are proportionally not that more expensive than a monopolized large scale builder. And so the parts costs of these products are not subsidising the initial purchase price at all. The purchase price and the parts are both expensive by comparsion. 
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