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    Posted: 30 Apr 18 at 10:36am
Originally posted by JimC

I'm no fan of the almost universal cheap purchase/expensive consumables pricing model, but it's unfair to call it a ripoff. You are simply subsidising an otherwise unsustainably cheap purchase price with your consumable parts purchases. It could also be characterized as a way of evening out the expense of a new boat. If the total cost of ownership over the average lifespan of the item is much the same there is no ripoff.

Is a Feva actually a cheap purchase price? Have you done the sums? Certainly, a Laser isn't a cheap purchase price and has an expensive parts/consumables list. The Feva looks no different to me. In fact, given the boat is injection molded, it looks like an expensive/expensive model to me. Even after the tooling cost of the mold jig.

Our handmade, low volume builder of Farr 3.7 sells a similar sized boat for only slightly more than these boats.

Really do they have a cheap purchase price? I don't think so. So yep, it's a rip-off.
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5337 for a feva with trolley top cover
2nd hand farr 3.7 4900
Not that much cheaper plus what sail etc
Costs can be cut everywhere doesn't mean it's better

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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Originally posted by JimC

I'm no fan of the almost universal cheap purchase/expensive consumables pricing model, but it's unfair to call it a ripoff. You are simply subsidising an otherwise unsustainably cheap purchase price with your consumable parts purchases. It could also be characterized as a way of evening out the expense of a new boat. If the total cost of ownership over the average lifespan of the item is much the same there is no ripoff.

Is a Feva actually a cheap purchase price? Have you done the sums? Certainly, a Laser isn't a cheap purchase price and has an expensive parts/consumables list. The Feva looks no different to me. In fact, given the boat is injection molded, it looks like an expensive/expensive model to me. Even after the tooling cost of the mold jig.

Our handmade, low volume builder of Farr 3.7 sells a similar sized boat for only slightly more than these boats.

Really do they have a cheap purchase price? I don't think so. So yep, it's a rip-off.

Cheap / expensive perceptions will depend on the benefits the consumer is seeking ...
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Sadly that is the way it is going though. I can't think of a modern class that has the traditional model of a designer designs it, gets a builder to build a couple of prototypes then allows anybody to build them subject to a licence fee. The H2 is probably the nearest thing to that but can anybody buy the plans and build them or can they only be built by Hadron Dinghies Ltd (and I understand that it may not be viable for an independent dinghy builder to make moulds etc. in view of the low volume production)?


Ahem,, isn't that what these Farr37s do? They seem to let anyone build them.

One day I might even get to sail one in actual wind.
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How does one work a Farr into the discussion on Feva masts. Top ramping. 
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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Sadly that is the way it is going though. I can't think of a modern class that has the traditional model of a designer designs it, gets a builder to build a couple of prototypes then allows anybody to build them subject to a licence fee. The H2 is probably the nearest thing to that but can anybody buy the plans and build them or can they only be built by Hadron Dinghies Ltd (and I understand that it may not be viable for an independent dinghy builder to make moulds etc. in view of the low volume production)?


Ahem,, isn't that what these Farr37s do? They seem to let anyone build them.

One day I might even get to sail one in actual wind.

Yes, they do but it's hardly a new design is it.......
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Originally posted by L123456

How does one work a Farr into the discussion on Feva masts. Top ramping. 

Well, it is sort of relevant. The point I was making (and iGRF was helping out with) was that very small builders, with higher quality products (like Farr 3.7s), are proportionally not that more expensive than a monopolized large scale builder. And so the parts costs of these products are not subsidising the initial purchase price at all. The purchase price and the parts are both expensive by comparsion. 
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Originally posted by Neal_g

5337 for a feva with trolley top cover
2nd hand farr 3.7 4900
Not that much cheaper plus what sail etc
Costs can be cut everywhere doesn't mean it's better


£5900 plus rig plus trolly band cover for a 3.7 (and does that £5900 include foils?) so nearer £8k I would have said and add another £2k if you want a carbon boat. But, it's still 150%-180% the price of a feva (which is, TBF, much what I would have expected).


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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Originally posted by Neal_g

5337 for a feva with trolley top cover
2nd hand farr 3.7 4900
Not that much cheaper plus what sail etc
Costs can be cut everywhere doesn't mean it's better


£5900 plus rig plus trolly band cover for a 3.7 (and does that £5900 include foils?) so nearer £8k I would have said and add another £2k if you want a carbon boat. But, it's still 150%-180% the price of a feva (which is, TBF, much what I would have expected).

+ Rig?
Yes foils included

But this is hijacking a Feva thread.
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If it really is £5900 complete that is remarkable value for money, especially with the likes of Blaze and H2 costing not that far off double that figure (a new Blaze costs £11800 by the time you've added a carbon mast, boom, tiller extension, covers and combi trailer). All the prices on the Butler Boats site are POA and as I'm not in the market for one I won't bother them with spurious enquiries.

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