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    Posted: 28 Apr 18 at 11:44am
Originally posted by JimC

I'm no fan of the almost universal cheap purchase/expensive consumables pricing model, but it's unfair to call it a ripoff. You are simply subsidising an otherwise unsustainably cheap purchase price with your consumable parts purchases. It could also be characterized as a way of evening out the expense of a new boat. If the total cost of ownership over the average lifespan of the item is much the same there is no ripoff.

im no fan either of this model, it invokes wastage, but looking at how sailing clubs operate the model suits them nicely with a more plateaued expenditure over life span of the boat, keeps it simple for the bean counters to allocate funds year on year.

One way out of this cycle would be to change the club model....
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Perhaps make a list of suitable masts similar to Sam's sail list.
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I'm no fan of the almost universal cheap purchase/expensive consumables pricing model, but it's unfair to call it a ripoff. You are simply subsidising an otherwise unsustainably cheap purchase price with your consumable parts purchases. It could also be characterized as a way of evening out the expense of a new boat. If the total cost of ownership over the average lifespan of the item is much the same there is no ripoff.
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Who designed it Dan?  Wink
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H15 was designed to be the best trainer / family / sailing centre dinghy of its size.
Any pace is a fringe benefit.
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Hartley 15 far superior to Laser Bahia, my club has a fleet of bahia's, we had a Hartley 15 and 12 on trial, the 15 totally dominated Bahia, faster on any point of sail, during handicap race it was easily keeping up with best Laser 1 sailors.

Certainly sailing and performing well is a benefit, but I'm not really sure that the fact that it is faster than the Bahia makes it a better trainer? A lot of boats a faster than a Bahia, but a lot of them are disastrous trainers!
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Hartley 15 far superior to Laser Bahia, my club has a fleet of bahia's, we had a Hartley 15 and 12 on trial, the 15 totally dominated Bahia, faster on any point of sail, during handicap race it was easily keeping up with best Laser 1 sailors.
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I can see RS have responded and I’m sure you’ll get a resolution.  In their defence why is it sooooo bad that they are making a profit on spares? Seen the price of road bike tyres or tennis balls recently?

Looking at the numbers involved and having an idea for how much it costs to source, stock, handle and package stuff like this, plus quality check and warranty costs it doesn’t look like robbery to me, certainly not in the same league as the £72 some joker recently tried to charge me for engine oil at a well known Bavarian car brand dealership. 
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Club is buying two new 16ft trainers, I feel like boycotting RS in protest.

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Consider the Hartley 15 (interest declared)
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Originally posted by H2

Sometimes I see the mass boat makers like RS, Laser and others as having a similar model to the ink jet printer business. Sell lots of boxes cheaply and make the profit off the parts which people have to buy from you when they inevitably fail. Its a total ripoff that they are forcing you to buy new masts - sorry to hear that.

Quite an insightful post; never really thought about that.

For example I wonder if you look at Laser what the revenue from Boats is compared to parts (inc. sails) ??

Is this what all the WS anti-trust stuff is driving at?
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