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    Posted: 28 Mar 18 at 4:34pm
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Kiting is not 'sailing', or if it is then so is skydiving. For a sport to be sailing it has to use sails as the means of propulsion  Confused


You can argue against that. Like conventional sailing kiting is using the difference in movement between the ground and the air to control speed and direction. The basic physics is much the same. Skydiving is about gravity and air. Its really very different.

Of course you can  Wink you probably guessed I was being a little provocative.........

But however you look at it a kite is much closer to a parachute than it is to a sail........
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A kite is not unlike a spinnaker. 
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I don't think we should apologise for being a 1st world country and the benefits that come with it, neither should expensive sports that 3rd world countries can't afford be banned from olympics.
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WS need to be clear whether they want to categorise events by weight, number of crew, performance or whatever. At the moment there is an incoherent mishmash of classes shoehorned into arbitrary events, but only one true 'event' (fleet racing).   Any debate about the classes is pointless without understanding what you are trying to achieve.
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Half the trouble is that the message they get from the IOC keeps changing.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Riv Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 18 at 8:12pm
Peaky is right. No matter what hardware is used the actual game is fleet racing, the Laser would cover all the male and female single handed aspects (heavy athletes will reduce their weight to compete or do something else)
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The thing y'all are missing and personally I don't give a toss if sailing remains in the Olympics or not, but that's what's at stake here. Sailing is all those things, 1st world, none diverse either racially or gender so you should consider it lucky that you have wind or kitesurfing to spread that diversity and relatively quickly. As for TV ratings well we all know how that's going.

Personally I fought really hard for years to keep kiting out of the clutches of the RYA and was gutted when those speed sailing dicks sold out to IFCA to get their speeds ratified. But it's in, there have been a few high level sales meetings talking about the format and the Neil Pryde group are ramming a One Design kite set up into play as fast as they can, the only reason we've not seen it over here is the guy charged with setting it up doesn't yet know his way around (he's asking me ffs so you can imagine the steer I gave him).

On another note, The powers that be in S.U. Paddlesport are also trending toward the BCU as governing body for their future which could have fallen into RYA and similar MNA's hands another example of the fallout caused by their crap attitude to the governance of windsurfing in the past.

As far as sailing is concerned, this could be the last roll of the dice and the whole issue gets its arse kicked out by the IOC due to crap TV ratings and then only finally will they realise what a complete and utter f**k up they've made of it all.

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Blimey, go sailing for the day (at the Olympic venue, as a coach for trials for an international event) and the forum goes mad again.

Good reading all this stuff. From what I saw today, maybe we should scrap the Paralympic sailing attempt and simply use boats in the Olympics which can be sailed equally by men, women, light, heavy, able or disabled, full inclusivity. The price for that? The Hansa 303 is slow. But racing was very close. And the great sailors will come out ahead.

Seems we are producing many sailing "events" for the Olympics which have no popularity at all. Foiling cats? If that was a separate sport, would it get into the games on numbers participating? Would skiff sailing, even? But sailing 2 handed dinghies and singlehanders dinghies and keelboats that sit on the water are pretty popular sports world wide. All we have to do is find common kit for the best round the world to get together and race fairly.
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Why do you need diversity? Sprint athletics can only be won by those ethnically from West Africa, the reality is that they are superior.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Mar 18 at 8:37am
I'd imagine the same conversations are going on athletics as in sailing. Thing is the different running distances suit different body types, the field events also. What they have in common is that each event takes an extreme of that body type to reach Olympic levels, so there are hardly any moderately tall high jumpers or moderately wide shouldered hammer throwers. At club level, as with sailing, I'm sure there are athletes who enjoy a certain event even if not quite suited to it, just as there are small Finn sailors.
Diversity comes about by having boats suited to a variety of body types, whatever the boats are. You could possibly do this by having the Laser 3 times each for men and women, introducing a Big Boy rig of 9m2 for the current Finn sailors, who might then have to run more and weight train less. Use the 4.7 for light weight women, Radial and standard for both.Be a bit boring, though? Set weight bands for each rig, bit like boxing. Same ring, same gloves, different weight catagories.
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