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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Depends whether you include the cost of the facilities or not. The average sailing centre costs a ****load less to build and maintain than the average athletics centre. Edited by JimC - 28 Mar 18 at 1:57pm |
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Bootscooter ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 May 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1094 |
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Equipment costs, even those of a Finn, are nowhere near the most financially crippling part of a campaign (trust me - I know!).
For those on the Olympic campaign, the travel, accommodation and (especially for Finn sailors) food costs when you're looking at events in Miami, Cadiz x 2, Palma, Hyeres, Medemblik, Aarhus, Keil, Koper and Palamos - and that's just one year. Then factor in coaching costs and entry fees and you'll see that £18k for a full-on boat hardly matters in an Olympic cycle. Incidentally, how many Lasers would a campaigner get through in a 4-year cycle? |
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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but the average athletics centre can be re-used by a commercial operator after the event.... like West Ham United. The average sailing centre just sits there as an eltist bubble and wind block in a North Westerly
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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Boxing ... third on the list of things sailors don't give a crap about, just after "Reality TV". You get the theme here, we're fairly elitist... I don't see it as a problem.
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Dougaldog ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 05 Nov 10 Location: hamble Online Status: Offline Posts: 356 |
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Considering the level of some of the exchanges on here, this has been an interesting debate with some good points made well. TT is right, it is all too easy to rely on stereotypes and overlook that the true picture might be actually very different. Then you get Bootscooter who gave us the details of the entries for the Finn Europeans (note...not the Worlds but a 'European' event) which is an impressive list of nations. One has to wonder how many of the other so called 'international' classes can get anywhere near this level of support; maybe if WS were a little stricter on what actually comprises an international class the picture would be a little clearer. This wide spread support does of course suggest that the Finn will continue to get the nod. This is nothing to do with dodgy voting or 'buying' support like FIFA, but just reflects what is going on around the globe. This can though have some unexpected consequences; I think it was when the then ISAF were voting for the boats for 2012 that they had to be very quick on their feet, else the 49er would have been voted out in favour of the Snipe. I jest not..... but if Snipe are sailed by more MNAs around the world, one might get surprises like this creeping in! And finally, well said Getafix for suggesting that the question has to be asked as to what the sport wants as the 'pinnacle' going forward. Is it the Olympics, or some form/format of open championships? The current set up of one entry per nation is itself something of an issue. Take this away and it would be easily possible to have the UK with 2 out of 3 medals in the Finn, France getting a clean sweep in the kitesailing - but if you stick to the current set up, can you say that the Olympics are truly the tops? The last time I looked at the figures, it was clear that World Sailing are totally beholden to the Olympics, it is where a significant chunk of their revenue comes from. Being at the Games is really what keeps the trough full, so they will do whatever is required to maintain that position. So if you find that the classic racing of boats around a course gets replaced by 'Kite-o-Cross' - where they race, then jump obstacles, getting marks for style or how ethnic their sailing wear is, then you'll know why. "It's sailing....but not as we know it". D
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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Kiting is not 'sailing', or if it is then so is skydiving. For a sport to be sailing it has to use sails as the means of propulsion
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Its hard to think of many classes that are widely popular worldwide without having had the Olympics as a focus. Most classes are regional to a greater or lesser extent, and need a few outliers to qualify as International classes. Its especially striking in keelboat classes. You'll see mainly commonwealth, mainly americas, mainly european, some that have two of the three but few all 3. Edited by JimC - 28 Mar 18 at 3:20pm |
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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haha - for me, 'kiting' will always be synonymous with windward heel downwind on a large wetted surface area hull form. I first had a go at in a optimist age 8.... no Olympic slot will change what the term means to me! ![]() |
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Old Timer ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 05 Jun 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 370 |
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Exactly; the Finn enjoys international support because it has been Olympic equipment for 70 years ... not because it is a Finntastic design ... Make any other class Olympic for 70- years and you get the same ...
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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You can argue against that. Like conventional sailing kiting is using the difference in movement between the ground and the air to control speed and direction. The basic physics is much the same. Skydiving is about gravity and air. Its really very different. |
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