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Sam.Spoons 
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 Topic: Olympic Sailing - interesting paperPosted: 28 Mar 18 at 3:06pm |
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Kiting is not 'sailing', or if it is then so is skydiving. For a sport to be sailing it has to use sails as the means of propulsion
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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
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Dougaldog
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Posted: 28 Mar 18 at 2:38pm |
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Considering the level of some of the exchanges on here, this has been an interesting debate with some good points made well. TT is right, it is all too easy to rely on stereotypes and overlook that the true picture might be actually very different. Then you get Bootscooter who gave us the details of the entries for the Finn Europeans (note...not the Worlds but a 'European' event) which is an impressive list of nations. One has to wonder how many of the other so called 'international' classes can get anywhere near this level of support; maybe if WS were a little stricter on what actually comprises an international class the picture would be a little clearer. This wide spread support does of course suggest that the Finn will continue to get the nod. This is nothing to do with dodgy voting or 'buying' support like FIFA, but just reflects what is going on around the globe. This can though have some unexpected consequences; I think it was when the then ISAF were voting for the boats for 2012 that they had to be very quick on their feet, else the 49er would have been voted out in favour of the Snipe. I jest not..... but if Snipe are sailed by more MNAs around the world, one might get surprises like this creeping in! And finally, well said Getafix for suggesting that the question has to be asked as to what the sport wants as the 'pinnacle' going forward. Is it the Olympics, or some form/format of open championships? The current set up of one entry per nation is itself something of an issue. Take this away and it would be easily possible to have the UK with 2 out of 3 medals in the Finn, France getting a clean sweep in the kitesailing - but if you stick to the current set up, can you say that the Olympics are truly the tops? The last time I looked at the figures, it was clear that World Sailing are totally beholden to the Olympics, it is where a significant chunk of their revenue comes from. Being at the Games is really what keeps the trough full, so they will do whatever is required to maintain that position. So if you find that the classic racing of boats around a course gets replaced by 'Kite-o-Cross' - where they race, then jump obstacles, getting marks for style or how ethnic their sailing wear is, then you'll know why. "It's sailing....but not as we know it". D
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turnturtle
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Posted: 28 Mar 18 at 2:13pm |
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Boxing ... third on the list of things sailors don't give a crap about, just after "Reality TV". You get the theme here, we're fairly elitist... I don't see it as a problem.
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turnturtle
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Posted: 28 Mar 18 at 2:11pm |
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but the average athletics centre can be re-used by a commercial operator after the event.... like West Ham United. The average sailing centre just sits there as an eltist bubble and wind block in a North Westerly
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Bootscooter
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Posted: 28 Mar 18 at 1:58pm |
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Equipment costs, even those of a Finn, are nowhere near the most financially crippling part of a campaign (trust me - I know!).
For those on the Olympic campaign, the travel, accommodation and (especially for Finn sailors) food costs when you're looking at events in Miami, Cadiz x 2, Palma, Hyeres, Medemblik, Aarhus, Keil, Koper and Palamos - and that's just one year. Then factor in coaching costs and entry fees and you'll see that £18k for a full-on boat hardly matters in an Olympic cycle. Incidentally, how many Lasers would a campaigner get through in a 4-year cycle? |
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JimC
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Posted: 28 Mar 18 at 1:57pm |
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Depends whether you include the cost of the facilities or not. The average sailing centre costs a ****load less to build and maintain than the average athletics centre. Edited by JimC - 28 Mar 18 at 1:57pm |
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Old Timer
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Posted: 28 Mar 18 at 1:54pm |
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Equestrian is not cheap; do horses count as equipment? To be fair it is the labour costs of support staff and athletes that rack up bill far quicker than equipment.
That said sailing at Olympic level must be one of the most expensive sports. But how much money is spent in the wind tunnel optimising Jason Kenny's helmet? |
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Posted: 28 Mar 18 at 1:51pm |
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Good shout; quite popular with women too ... Apart from football I don't see any others?
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boatshed
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Posted: 28 Mar 18 at 1:41pm |
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Is sailing the most expensive olympic sport in terms of equipment $ per head? I'm pretty sure a Finn or Star ( to pick on two boat types) costs more than a pair of skis, skates, running shoes, etc. I don't know the cost of a 8 man rowing boat but per head, I assume it is cheaper than a Finn or Star. You get the idea.
High tech sailing dinghies are likely to out of reach for most aspiring athletes in developing nations. I therefore think that a Laser with two rigs, big and small, should be the only equipment needed for Olympic sailing and the boats should be provided by the host nation. I'm sure someone will be along on a moment, shooting down my argument, saying the boat is only a minor cost an olympic campaign. Perhaps we have to accept olympic sailing is and always has been the preserve of the wealthy and wealthy nations. |
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turnturtle
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Posted: 28 Mar 18 at 1:22pm |
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only football I guess... but it also tops the list of 'things I don't give a crap about' for a lot sailors I know too!
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