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    Posted: 28 Mar 18 at 1:19pm
Can any sport claim to be truly ethnically diverse?

From what I can see each sport tends to end up dominated by those who are most suited or who apply the most focus...
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You may think that, but here's a nationality list from the 91-boat Finn Europeans in Cadiz a couple of weeks ago (without repititions).

GBR
NED
SWE
NZL
USA
BRA
CRO
FRA
GRE
SUI
FIN
EST
TUR
ESP
CZE
CAN
ARG
NOR
GER
ITA
AUS
POL
RUS
IRL
DEN
SLO
POR
CYP
HKG
IRI
BER
AUT
UKR
SVK

It may not be as inclusive as we'd wish, but with representation from Argentina, Turkey, Iran, Ireland, Hong Kong and Bermuda you can see that there is development in the non-traditionally 'up-there' sailing countries. It's certainly more varied (and well attended, despite the relative costs) that the Kiting lists.
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Cant see many Asians etc on that list. looks suspiciously similar to the Finn results would be
European and formerly pink on the map. 
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Originally posted by 423zero

I would have said antisocial kite boarding has no chance of getting in the Olympics but they allowed snow boarding similar mentality.

Not really - snowboarding has been around since the 1970s.  It lost its edgy attitude the moment it started poaching punters from the ski dorks and week-a-year crew.  It's pretty much a mainstream fixture at all but one or two douche-bag ski resorts like Alta.  Snowboard technology has also filtered into skiing - twin tip freestyle skis (like Candide Thovex uses for some of the most epic winter action on you tube) all came about from snowboard tech - in turn from windsurf tech if you follow the parallels in development.   

Sure, there are still some snowboarders who think they're cooler than skiers... they're typically knob heads who haven't grown up.  They don't represent the athletic side of the sport, nor the general public perception.  I've also had friends take the piss as I'm on a snowboard... they sound a bit pathetic to be honest, and it doesn't say much for their own skiing credentials that I can even keep up on my plank... I ain't that quick, far from it, and skis should be a lot faster!    

GB Park and Pipe train together - skiers and snowboarders and most UK snowboarders I know have nothing but praise for the charm of the UK's Number 1 freestyle skier at the mo - James Woods.

Ester Ledecka won the Super G (skiing) gold on a borrowed set of spares, despite her natural affinity towards snowboarding before the games commenced.  She's also competitive in the RS:X - what a natural athlete!

Most European recreational skiers and boarders just want to ensure there's enough snow in the future to keep their passions alive for the next generation.  Jeremy Jones - pro US snowboarder - is highly respected amongst both ski and snowboard communities for his ecological works.  And if you really want to earn your turns, every snowboarder knows that 'split boarding' (skiing uphill / boarding down) is pretty highly regarded- so again a major crossover for disciplines.

I know you were only trolling, but it's worth dispelling stereotypes when you get the chance.  Bottom line for most of us who ski and/or snowboard - no one gives a sh*t what was strapped to your feet in a avalanche.   

 We also acknowledge the total sh*t-fest that was the women's Slopestyle final in Pyeongchang - ruined by TV schedulers and certainly didn't showcase the sport and female contribution to its progress, properly:


Perhaps the Finn class (and IKA) should take note... the Olympics isn't what it used to be, and certainly doesn't mean as much as it once did.


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I would have said antisocial kite boarding has no chance of getting in the Olympics but they allowed snow boarding similar mentality.
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The only reason there are so many French 'kite foiling' is 'cos they're sh*t in moths.
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Originally posted by iGRF



Needless to say windsurf and kite sailors are truly multi-national/ethnic/cultural/gender fully representative of our global human melting pot unlike most sailing classes.

There should be no contest Finn v's Us in Olympic representation.



Hahahaha, now I've not done a huge amount of research here, but the results from last year's World Sailing Cup at Hyeres, where the kites were taking part to show off their Olympic potential give;



1 FRA FRA 5 17.00 23.00 Nicolas Parlier
2 FRA FRA 4 23.00 34.00 Axel Mazella
3 FRA MON 12 45.00 80.00 Maxime Nocher
4 SLO SLO 1 53.00 77.00 Toni Vodisek
5 FRA FRA 14 61.00 86.00 Titouan GALEA
6 GER GER 2 66.00 92.00 Florian Gruber
7 CRO CRO 17 78.00 114.00 Martin Dolenc
8 FRA FRA 6 82.00 112.00 Theo Lhostis
9 FRA FRA 10 86.00 113.00 Theo de Ramecourt
10 GBR GBR 3 103.00 147.00 Connor Bainbridge
11 FRA FRA 19 60.00 85.00 Kieran LE BORGNE
12 FRA FRA 15 92.00 120.00 Silvio AUBRY
13 FRA FRA 13 94.00 124.00 Thomas Lombardo
14 FRA FRA 9 96.00 129.00 Victor Bachichet
15 FRA FRA 18 109.00 142.00 Benjamin Petit
16 FRA FRA 11 111.00 143.00 Arthur LHEZ

.... and the women;
1 USA n/a   Daniela Moroz
2 FRA n/a   Alexia Fancelli
3 CAN n/a   Catherine Dufour
4 FRA n/a   Ariane Imbert


*sarcasm alert* Impressive numbers and diversity there then....
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Originally posted by iGRF

It's an anachronism in this day and age, no place for it.

au contraire, there will always be a place for it.... in our hearts and on the water as the true champion's hiking singlehander (mens*).  It shares a pedestal of heritage alongside the 505 and maybe the Contender.  Any genuine, life long dinghy fan would respect the 505 and Finn class champions, even if they've never stepped foot in one themselves.  You just can't outclass class with a whizzbang foiler 2000 or a f#cking kite tray on stilts.  

Whether there's a place for the Finn in the farce that the Olympics will be become is another matter entirely.... now my own generation have passed through the competition, it's going to have to put on something pretty special to capture my imagination in the future, and foiling this and kite flying that, ain't it for me.  And when it comes to the general public, neither is it accessible in the slightest, nor that desirable to actually get off the sofa for either - did any of us have a go at Bobsleigh after the winter games?  It looks great on TV though.... 

* I can't pretend to that there's a female equivalent unfortunately.... maybe when society catches up, the Aero 5 or 7 could fulfil that role as I doubt the Europe is coming back strong?

  
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Originally posted by Old Timer

The Finn lobby pulled off a bit of a master stroke when they got their event reclassified as the Heavyweight event thus putting clear ground between the Finn and Laser. 


Hmm then it got won by the same 1st world white bloke that won in a Laser..

Body size discrimination?

How's that different from segregation by skin colour?

So how many black, asian, or oriental Finn sailors are there again?

Then how many female gender of all of the above?

It's an anachronism in this day and age, no place for it.

Needless to say windsurf and kite sailors are truly multi-national/ethnic/cultural/gender fully representative of our global human melting pot unlike most sailing classes.

There should be no contest Finn v's Us in Olympic representation.

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Haven't read the whole thread so hope I'm not repeating something, but someone said :-

"No-one survives the post Olympic slot come down"

Which sounds to me like the best reason there could be to ditch the Laser!!
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