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    Posted: 27 Mar 18 at 12:41am
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Originally posted by getafix

 
As I wrote before. No idea why a class as prestigious and with such great history (freestanding of the Olypmics) as the Finn, puts soooool much emphasis on being part of it. 

Because they know what happens to classes when they lose the Olympic slot, name me one example of a class that has thrived following deselection?


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Originally posted by getafix

 

As I wrote before. No idea why a class as prestigious and with such great history (freestanding of the Olypmics) as the Finn, puts soooool much emphasis on being part of it. 

Because they know what happens to classes when they lose the Olympic slot, name me one example of a class that has thrived following deselection?
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I like the finn. I also think there should be a higher focus on the quality of racing from the athlete perspective. 

I think extreme sports can be easy to sell short term. But harder to keep attention once you've got past the awe of speed / risk. And that comes from a skiff sailor. To keep people entertained for longer they need to relate to the sailors. Be able to follow their story through an event.  

Plenty of the best sports for watching are essentially simple and slow. But if the viewer can identify with the struggle of the competitors they will watch. So for this, a Finn, with all the boats  in frame, I think makes good viewing. 

I think more than the boats we need to focus on the venues and on board media. People have always been able to to watch appreciate a track event. But technology it really making a difference to how people can appreciate sailing. I'm optimistic that the future for sailing as a spectator sport will improve, as it seems a sport which can benefit most from media technological improvements.
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Originally posted by 423zero

Isn't this the ultimate 'ISM' ??? trying to standardise the human shape and remove gender, so someone who is 6'6" and someone who is 5'4" have to be in the same boat, male or female, doesn't make sense.

It’s a circus, just like a great many other events are, or are, becoming.  Shabby sponsorship and tv money chasing, events with little or no sporting history or athletic challenge (admittedly worse at winter than summmer games) and ticket/construction ‘scandals’ becoming the norm, rather than exception.

As I wrote before. No idea why a class as prestigious and with such great history (freestanding of the Olypmics) as the Finn, puts soooool much emphasis on being part of it. 
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Isn't this the ultimate 'ISM' ??? trying to standardise the human shape and remove gender, so someone who is 6'6" and someone who is 5'4" have to be in the same boat, male or female, doesn't make sense.
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Originally posted by Old Timer


]The Finns have a very well oiled lobbying machine and I expect them to retain their slot. 


This is the more likely outcome.. the whole sport could lose the slot but Finns would appear somewhere probably in the weightlifting competition.
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how ironic if they ditch the Finn due to the gender imbalance problem, as a means of shoe horning kiting in, when there are only handful more women race Formula Kite internationally than race the Finn.
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Isnt there a,slot for the Finn in the rowing section? surely a better fit?
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Classes are defined by the gift of the Olympic slot, not vice versa. 

Who talks today of the Tornado, Tempset, FD, Soling or even Windglider?

No class is bigger than the Olympics including the Finn, it’s long run in the games has given it a good masters fleet but if it were deselected it would soon sit on the above list. 

The Finns have a very well oiled lobbying machine and I expect them to retain their slot. 


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The Laser is just another step to the L.C.D. IMHO. It's popular because it was cheap enough and well enough marketed to gain critical mass very early in it's career and, because dinghy sailors are a notoriously conservative lot, it has stayed the biggest selling single class in the history of dinghy racing ever since. The result is decent class racing almost anywhere if you can tolerate the boat.

The Olympics should have a simple popular 'grass roots' boat for men and women (and the Laser does do that, though Aero might be better these days), some boats which emphasise the 'old school' skills like the Finn/Star/470 and a couple of exotic jobbies (49er/Nacra?) ideally one with foils to satisfy those wanting to see the current development of the sport.


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