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Sam.Spoons 
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 Topic: singlehander for small(ish) lakePosted: 01 Mar 18 at 12:23pm |
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Blaze's around from £1200, Mk2 similar to SSD for a little over £2k so still looking the most likely prospect. As you say Solution and FRP Streaker (which TBH doesn't really light my candle) are around £3k which is a bit more than I really want to spend for what is, really, a 'spare' Wednesday night boat. Still fancy an OK too but not sure of I'm still flexible enough (did sail a Europe last year a bit cramped but doable) and a modern FRP boat with the carbon rig is even more expensive. As are D Zeros and Aeros.
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iGRF
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Posted: 01 Mar 18 at 12:02pm |
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I may be forced very much against my will to sell my Solution if things down the lake go as pear shaped as they appear to be, I definitely don't have the storage space for it or the other couple of boats I've got down there if they expect us to clear the site by March 31st.
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Gordon 1430
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Posted: 01 Mar 18 at 8:57am |
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Hi Sam Just had a quick troll of Apollo duck and your choices for 3k seem to be Streakers, early epoxy Phantoms with carbon ribs, some blazes and bytes. A solution just over budget. Plus lasers. No lightning's that I could see or on the class website so you can rule that one out.
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 28 Feb 18 at 11:29pm |
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TBF I haven't really given the 'nova a fair crack as I only got to sail it three times last year. My main issue has been that I struggle to read the FB sail despite 30 years racing windsurfers with FB sails and the last ten sailing the Spice (though that does have a jib to look at upwind). Then to put the tin hat on it my Supernova sailing buddy damaged his knee and swapped to a Blaze so I have raced mine over the winter. As the season comes around and the Blaze will go and live on the coast I need to decide what next. Another Blaze is the obvious choice but I definitely fancy a Solution if I can find one I can afford. I think I need to flatter my weaknesses so a Phantom is probably a non starter as I will get 'mullered' as soon as it passes F3. Or I could persevere with the Supernova (though that will be a little lonelier than it was last year).
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pondlife1736
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Posted: 28 Feb 18 at 10:54pm |
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What is it you don't like about the Supernova?
Don't discount the Phantom even at your weight. They seem to have very controllable/depowerable rigs these days and you'd fly on the light wind days. Main thing that puts me off them now is all that kneeling downwind, but I loved mine back in the day.
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 26 Feb 18 at 11:24pm |
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Revisiting this thread as I have raced the Blaze over the winter with much enjoyment but little success
 and I do think I will be moving the Supernova on soon.But, while I still think the Blaze is not the ideal boat on the lake most of my problems are with boat handling (after 30 years windsurfing and the last 10 sailing the Spice but not competing seriously). I'm getting better in the Blaze and think I'll go for either another Blaze (and remain uncompetitive) or something else to suit the lake better. FWIW I'm still around 76-78kg. So, no trapeze or kite....... Budget £2k (but a little stretchable). Not a Solo (yet at least) as I think I don't get on with fully battened sails on a singlehander and FRP are out of budget anyway. Not a L@ser............ And nothing wooden (as I CBA maintaining it). That Lightning 368 iGRF posted looks pretty nice (and I'm too big for a Europe, which I like) but I can't afford a new one. H2 looks lovely but new boats (of any flavour) are expensive and used H2s are rare to say the least and still over budget. Solution looks great but the odd used one that comes up would stretch the budget but is definitely on the short list. I have a soft spot for OKs but am not a bendy as I was in the '70s when I raced one (and good ones ain't cheap either). Not agile enough for a 300, don't fancy a Streaker, and too light for a Phantom. So, any others I may be missing?
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iGRF
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Posted: 05 Sep 17 at 10:38am |
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Well I'm OK in light and have always struggled in single handers in a breeze, probably because most of my single hander choices have been a tad over canvassed, EPS 9.4, Blaze, 10, RS100 10.2 (not that I gave it long enough) and this, (the Solution) has been the first boat I can still consider that I'm actually competing in rather than just get round surviving. I've had a couple of quite breezy races I've managed to hold my own in but I put that down to the beam of that Solution, it seems relative to it's length and the sail size quite wide so there's a fair bit of righting moment the further back you sit. (You tend to want to sit on a narrower bit when it's light and get forced back when it gets breezy). Not that I won't get thrashed by the other young guy when it get seriously gusty, but he's as many kilos heavier as he is years younger, but it gives one a measure of how useless one still is in a breeze.
One day I'll capitulate and get into a bloody streaker or something more suitable to 68 kgs, but I'll miss the power and being able to seek the front of the fleet where tbh I'm happiest and lots of times when it's windy folk don't race anyway so it doesn't really make lots of sense to equip for strong wind. |
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Rupert
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Posted: 05 Sep 17 at 7:31am |
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Boat swapping is fun, though! You may never reach the potential like a full time Laser sailor would, but you won't forget how to smile, either.
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Phil_1193
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Posted: 05 Sep 17 at 6:14am |
Yes you will. But in all honesty, if you sail a Blaze anyway I would suggest you stick with one. Having recently sailed against a few, including the current national champion, when it gets to hiking weather, they will be more comfortable and controllable for you up wind than the Phantom, but down wind in the same conditions, the Phantom is the easy winner. In light weather crouched in the bottom of the boat, neither are very comfortable!! Swings and roundabouts. If however you are sailing the same type of boat at both locations, it can only improve your sailing and understanding of what makes that boat go. Swapping and changing means adapting each time you sail, possibly affecting your competativeness in each boat. |
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 04 Sep 17 at 11:45pm |
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Why did I know you'd say that Graeme... :) Definitely like the idea but used ones are a bit scarce and somewhat stretching of the budget.
FWIW it was your Phantom thread that got me considering a Phant as a possibility, then my mate beat me on handicap after I finished 30 secs in front (sailing the Blaze) in his pre 999/tin rig Phantom on it's handicap of 1047. He's a good bit heavier than me but we're probably pretty evenly matched in ability. I guess, on aggregate, I might be better sailing at the bottom of a boats weight range than at the top. I'm pretty good in the light stuff and not so much when it blows so I guess it comes down to do I choose a boat that flatters my strengths or compensates for my weaknesses'? The Blaze does the the latter but maybe the compromise in light wind performance on a small lake, is too much of a disadvantage and I should accept that I'm not going to be competitive in a blow......
Edited by Sam.Spoons - 04 Sep 17 at 11:55pm |
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