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    Posted: 27 Jan 18 at 6:44pm
I've kinda got used to always wearing a BA now, and there are more head injury risks in dinghy sailing, but it does seem that there is now an attitude that if you aren't wearing one, you are somehow not only endangering your own life (even when 10 feet from the shore on a river) but those of every rescue service out there, every child who sails, as they might see you and copy, and possibly causing rising sea levels in Polynesia.

Some form of personal responsibility for decisions on safety, especially in obviously benign environments, would be welcome.
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Dinghy sailor first back in the late '60s, windsurfer in the late '70s till the present but back to dinghies properly for the 2008 season and only windsurfing occasionally these days.



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Yes Sam I'm sure you're correct about said Osprey sailor, weren't you a windsurfer though ?  LOL Wink
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Originally posted by Do Different

Not sure what you're saying Pierre. 

Attitude to risk has changed and it is difficult to generalise.

My mate's Dad was a respected Osprey sailor in the heyday, minimal safety clothing at sea but according to my mate he simply did not capsize. Nowadays with better clothing and more safety cover there seems to be a greater willingness to push harder and accept crashing as part of the game.


Perhaps your mates dad just knew that capsizing was slow (and it's always slower than not capsizing)? Capsizing never bothered me in the '60s and I'm still here..... (And still capsizing BTW  Embarrassed )
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So where do they all go if not sailing? We take ours attach them to 12 or 14 square metres of kite and send them out into the ocean on a wake board with zero buoyancy, and lots of them love it and some even get to come back to shore...

So when those very same people get asked to go sailing with maybe their girlfriend or father in law or have to get involved with their kids, what do you think they think about you lot trussing yourselves up in all sorts of safety paraphanalia to go out in the relative safety of a boat, which floats, even if it sinks?
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Not sure what you're saying Pierre. 

Attitude to risk has changed and it is difficult to generalise.

My mate's Dad was a respected Osprey sailor in the heyday, minimal safety clothing at sea but according to my mate he simply did not capsize. Nowadays with better clothing and more safety cover there seems to be a greater willingness to push harder and accept crashing as part of the game.



  
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I'm with iGRF on this one.
Bunch of f..... pussies. 
Risk averse in the extreme and bugger all common sense.
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IGRF,
Extreme sports.
Squirrel suits.
Downhill mountain biking.
Freefall from space.
Far from cottonwool, add many others, technology will give us more sports in the future, why can't we have thrilling sports but minimise the risk of death or worse ?
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Mirror dinghies averaged about 4,500 sales per year, mostly UK, Lasers more like 10,000, worldwide that is tho, (i just googled them, not guesses)

Larks sold over 100 per year, scorpions about the same, Toppers, Ents and GP14s probably ten times that

And thats just a few classes, numerous others were also getting numbers that RS and the like probably fantasise about today.

So far more new boat buying activity than today. 

and no, there was no such epidemic of death, far from it, even tho most of those boats were, almost by definition, going to total newbies

 


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Great book for Club Sailors here
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I wasn't paying that much attention back then, but was there really an epidemic of death by dinghy? Was it like skiing is now for instance? I watched this thing on the news last night, somehow some kid has managed to kill himself with an airgun, how that happened I can't figure for the life of me, but hey ho they're now on the got to be banned list, it just goes on this pathetic pc cottonwool world we're in. I hate to think what we're going to evolve into, some sort of pudding that operates a screen by all counts using vr games for excitement of what those tearaways did in the sixties seventies and eighties..

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