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JimC 
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 Topic: Oh the righteousPosted: 27 Dec 17 at 9:10pm |
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Presumably a conspiracy theorist would consider it to be a rumour started by Laser Performance in order to shift lots more sails...
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Paramedic
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Posted: 27 Dec 17 at 9:07pm |
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^^What he said^^
but how many are using genuine sails? (I must add I don't actually have a massive problem with people using non-class sails in club racing provided the club authorise it and its handicap racing)
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 27 Dec 17 at 9:03pm |
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I think the general consensus is that they lose there edge after a couple of hard regattas. For the average club sailor the 2% difference between a box fresh sail and one that has had a few weeks use is pretty irrelevant, miss one shift and you've dropped more than that, but for the top guys who are all within a couple of percent of each other a new boat every year and a new sale every regatta makes the difference between winning and losing (in their mind at least).
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423zero
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Posted: 27 Dec 17 at 7:58pm |
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I read this a lot about Laser sails not lasting, the ones at my club seem to last more than a couple of months, mind only two out of a dozen have XD controls, but they still seem ok after a couple of seasons, is it circuit racing ?
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piglet
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Posted: 27 Dec 17 at 7:28pm |
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Is it true the composite top section is 600g lighter than the ally?
If so, how is that fair competition. |
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 27 Dec 17 at 4:30pm |
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Fair comment, I guess SMOD classes range from those with an active CA and involved designer (who are closer to an old style 'one design' class like the Firefly) at one end of the spectrum to those entirely controlled by the builder at the other. It is the latter type to whom I was referring above.
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blueboy
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Posted: 27 Dec 17 at 4:16pm |
Not actually true. I spent some years helping fine-tune class rules for a SMOD and changes needed 3-way agreement, manufacture, class-association and the copyright holder of the class rules (which was neither of the first two). Though I am pleased to say the manufacturer was not Laser. |
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zippyRN
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Posted: 26 Dec 17 at 10:25pm |
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also i do think they were struggling to find a cloth maker who would keep making the bog paper cloth with a shrinking market for full rig sails ...
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 26 Dec 17 at 4:23pm |
No it isn't, and yes they would, as Paramedic says they were probably forced into it to try and reverse the, relative, decline of the class. |
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Paramedic
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Posted: 26 Dec 17 at 4:18pm |
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I don't for a moment think that Laser actually wanted to change the sail. I would imagine that they needed to do something to win their market share back from people who buy the cheap copies ie it needs to last longer and perform better than the standard sail.
Does this go against the class ethos? Yes in suppose it does, but times change and they need to move less behind them. Does it go against the class ethos more than someone using a cheaper/longer lasting/maybe faster sail from someone else? No, at least not in my view.
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