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    Posted: 02 Oct 17 at 4:07pm
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Can't remember when, last time I entered a Nationals was 1999, might have been the year before 98.

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Just accept that Tide is 'The Force', I'm a Jedi Knight and you are all the dark side.

LOL ... I have to admire your persistence on the lee bow effect ...

Looks like you have hooked another into your snare ...

Remind us again how your jedi skills fared at the RS100 nationals ...  Wink


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Then you come on forums and you're still being fed the same old same old, I've told the tale before I'll tell it again, last time I argued the point with the RYA national coach nonetheless, some months later I went on to take a 10 minute lead over his entire Olympic Squad because he fed them the same drivel he'd been fed by the RYA squad system in his youth and sent his squad up the coast.

For this story to have any worth it would be nice if you could tell us who the coach was, who the sailors were, what class you all were sailing!
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Somewhere, I have a tide compass illustration, maybe one day I'll dig it out, but why?

Why after literally hundreds of successful uses of my reactive tidal genius, should I bother to waste time instructing the uninstructable?

Is it going to make me feel better? No

Will you feel better knowing as usual you're all wrong? Unlikely

Just accept that Tide is 'The Force', I'm a Jedi Knight and you are all the dark side.
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Originally posted by mozzy

 
Why don't you explain how it works? Specifically, how does pointing slightly higher change the flow on the foils, even in the range where you're not stalling?


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Originally posted by iGRF


Then you come on forums and you're still being fed the same old same old, I've told the tale before I'll tell it again, last time I argued the point with the RYA national coach nonetheless, some months later I went on to take a 10 minute lead over his entire Olympic Squad because he fed them the same drivel he'd been fed by the RYA squad system in his youth and sent his squad up the coast.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

One instance (for which we only have your account) is not proof of you theory on lee-bow effect. 

Why don't you explain how it works? Specifically, how does pointing slightly higher change the flow on the foils, even in the range where you're not stalling?

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Sorry, forgot the ftfy and of course not entirely true, I'm just trying to unscrabble your collective reasoning, you seem to have me tied to the ludicrous suggestion that just pinching so high you stall and then sitting there will work which clearly it doesn't.

There's a mile of difference between that and tidal assistance, which, on sailboards here locally can make the difference between planing on one tack, then not planing on the other at the extreme, to travelling at faster displacement speed toward the mark if the tide is on the nose at the other. On a board, you can quite literally feel the effect, you can feel it varying up the beat as you cross the tide or as it does here locally moves in a curve over the course. So with the benefit of knowing for a fact it works then transfering that knowledge into a dinghy in which the 'feel' is duller but nonetheless the action still works.

Then you come on forums and you're still being fed the same old same old, I've told the tale before I'll tell it again, last time I argued the point with the RYA national coach nonetheless, some months later I went on to take a 10 minute lead over his entire Olympic Squad because he fed them the same drivel he'd been fed by the RYA squad system in his youth and sent his squad up the coast.

As I said before believe what you want to believe, I'm available for tidal lectures... ;-)
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Why misquote me? Or are you 'correcting' what I wrote?

Unless you're stuck in the mud, speed over ground can have nothing to do with foils, they travel water. 

No need to call people 'special needs' and 'retards' either.


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Originally posted by mozzy



]Foils experience flow in the direction the boat is moving through the water, at the speed the boat is moving over the ground.


Try to think of it like that, tell your therapist you have advanced dinghy tidal retard syndrome..

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, providing... Your forward motion isn't seriously compromised or your main driving foils (the sail)end up too head to wind to be effective.
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It's like trying to help a bunch of special needs...


There are many ways of achieving nose on rather than weather side, it can often include simply where on the course you tack in your windward struggles, just as there are quite a few degrees between stalling and sailing too free. Get the current nose on you'll go better than experiencing a tidal header with the tidal flow direction the wrong side of your centreboard,

Now there are obviously more of these 'degrees' available to me as a lightweight (we can point higher than heavy folk), but delusion? Strictly coming from you 'special' people.

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