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    Posted: 26 Sep 17 at 12:19pm
I do agree with you Cirrus that avoiding decline is not linked to pushing racing but at our club they started encouraging people to get out sailing as a first step. They did this by offering a range of club boats for free use - you know the old 420s that no one used or hired so why not get them out on the water anyway... and a few of the more experienced people were on hand to help new comers rig and get on the water, offer friendly advice. Before we knew it "Super Saturdays" had 30 or so boats out there just having fun. The cadets have also been a huge draw for new families and here its been about having fun with the best going on to do racing but its not a hardcore racing focus. We have a good racing turn out but our club has flourished once we worked out how to leverage our best sailors to encourage new people into the sport. For some clubs that will be the social side, for us it was focusing our time on encouraging people to enjoy sailing and letting the small subset that want to race to have fun doing that too.
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Not sure our club bears this out....but then we have no bar and it always rains at Barbeque's. Nice to talk to you again at Southampton.
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I'm not so sure, I made the mistake of club expansion and we went down the 'social member' route then alternate sports, cycling, swimming, sups, who now of course far outnumber the racers and bring with them a different set of values and agendas.

It's not always wise and hindsight can be an exact science, but chasing the 'revenue' can bring with it all manner of consequences that can spoil the club experience according to the style we've been used to, we've had all manner of nastiness this summer, basically thanks to the transferance of the local 'pseudo posh' village playground mentality seeping into our social arena with all the usual cliques and bitchiness.
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The point made is NOT about attracting 'social members' for revenue purposes - heaven forbid. But it is about providing or maintaining a decent social scene for the existing and future sailing 'occasionals' and their families.  They get damn little for their bucks at some clubs now - and drift away.   Get the social aspect right and revenue and numbers tend to work out just fine.  Overlook or ignore it and you will have to get used to sailing let alone racing in quickly reduced numbers. STOP tweaking the 'proper' racing arrangements - far too many are barking up the wrong tree.

Tomorrows club racers and active members are more likely to come from this 'occasional' group (usually the great majority btw)  than from existing 'purist' racers whether youth squaddies or not or any other group you might imagine !    Hardly rocket science really ....


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Originally posted by Cirrus

The point made is NOT about attracting 'social members' for revenue purposes - heaven forbid. But it is about providing or maintaining a decent social scene for the existing and future sailing 'occasionals' and their families.  They get damn little for their bucks at some clubs now - and drift away.   Get the social aspect right and revenue and numbers tend to work out just fine.  Overlook or ignore it and you will have to get used to sailing let alone racing in quickly reduced numbers. STOP tweaking the 'proper' racing arrangements - far too many are barking up the wrong tree.

Tomorrows club racers and active members are more likely to come from this 'occasional' group (usually the great majority btw)  than from existing 'purist' racers whether youth squaddies or not or any other group you might imagine !    Hardly rocket science really ....

I can see that working where you have local community, or decent camping facilities in the summer.... but to drive my family out for a club party, nurse two shandies and drive home again....  Dead Dead Dead
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I can see that working where you have local community, or decent camping facilities in the summer.... but to drive my family out for a club party, nurse two shandies and drive home again....  Dead Dead Dead

But then you are not really in that grouping .....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Sep 17 at 3:25pm
Well I've joined the local surf and paddleboard club - 'club' is a bit strong a word for it, we pay €30 a month and can either use rental kit or leave your own kit (1 board) on site in their secure compound.  They also rent hire kit direct to punters - €10 per hour, and I have already taken a couple of guys and girl along who are keen to do a bit more paddle boarding after the initial intro.  The place is growing and is becoming a proper destination with 21st century marketing driving traffic.

https://www.facebook.com/lacasadelamar/

My kids love it there - my eldest daughter has a skateboard lesson next Saturday.  And they're just about to launch a new bar with a late night licence- family friendly, but the parties will go on well into the evenings.

The sailing club up the road has a similar vibe, although they use a local marina bar and the marina itself for the facilities - very easy going and despite the fact that the age old dilemma (70% of dinghies are Lasers!), I also plan to get involved there too.  Hopefully I will finalise the boat plan before Christmas, but it won't be a Laser - either Aero, Zero, 300 most probably... so class racing can't be 'that' important to me it seems.  ;-)  


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Originally posted by turnturtle



Well I've joined the local surf and paddleboard club - 'club' is a bit strong a word for it, we pay €30 a month and can either use rental kit or leave your own kit (1 board) on site in their secure compound.  They also rent hire kit direct to punters - €10 per hour, and I have already taken a couple of guys and girl along who are keen to do a bit more paddle boarding after the initial intro.  The place is growing and is becoming a proper destination with 21st century marketing driving traffic.
https://www.facebook.com/lacasadelamar/
My kids love it there - my eldest daughter has a skateboard lesson next Saturday.  And they're just about to launch a new bar with a late night licence- family friendly, but the parties will go on well into the evenings.
The sailing club up the road has a similar vibe, although they use a local marina bar and the marina itself for the facilities - very easy going and despite the fact that the age old dilemma (70% of dinghies are Lasers!), I also plan to get involved there too.  Hopefully I will finalise the boat plan before Christmas, but it won't be a Laser - either Aero, Zero, 300 most probably... so class racing can't be 'that' important to me it seems.  ;-)  




Yeah but it's very nearly always sunny and warm there. So that helps
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My club stopped social side about 5 years ago, dart board gone, bowling alley gone, table tennis gone etc etc.
This year not one single race Thursday evening, afternoon better turn out, but no racing.
Social side dropped due to lack of organisers, due to decline in membership, natural decline due to older members retiring and deaths, seem to have scattered more ashes on water than Cups and Shields awarded.
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I imagine alcohol/driving enforcement must have had a big impact on the social scene for many clubs. When I look at my club's membership list I doubt even 1% are within walking distance.
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