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    Posted: 09 Aug 17 at 6:10pm
Gore tex vents: 
https://www.gore.com/sites/g/files/ypyipe116/files/2016-07/PTV-Datasheet-Screw-In-Series-US.pdf


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The hatch covers currently available, with rubber gaskets and the cover concealing all the fastenings, are airtight if well installed and maintained. The ones we used to get in the 70s, on the other hand, leaked like sieves.
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Originally posted by zippyRN


Originally posted by iGRF

Anyone ever considered/experimented with Goretex breather valves?

and what if any advantage  would they offer over  small holes  or a  u-bend  on a larger  breather?

Wel they're a one way valve, fairly easy to fit and not expensive, but... My recall of Goretex is that it doesn't like saltwater, which clogs it a bit if I recall correctly, may be wrong and the technology may have improved, but a Goretex valve in a hatch cover probably wouldn't be a bad thing, do hatch covers leak anyway, I've never thought of them as totally watertight?

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From memory my old moth (magnum 9.9 I think) had a piece of thin rubber membrane glued over a reasonably large breather hole, so it would move in and out like a diaphragm but stay waterproof.

I may have this completely wrong, but it's what I assumed it was for!
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and what if any advantage  would they offer over  small holes  or a  u-bend  on a larger breather?

Probably depends how much time you spend upright!
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Originally posted by iGRF

Anyone ever considered/experimented with Goretex breather valves?


and what if any advantage  would they offer over  small holes  or a  u-bend  on a larger  breather?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zippyRN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Aug 17 at 11:20am
Originally posted by JimC

Oh yes, I'd definitely put a breather in. Don't know about a hole in a hatch cover though, I'd look for a spot which is never under water and never sitting in a puddle - or else, as you say, going through a tube to have the same effect.


iirc the breather hole  on  the Laser is at the  the front of the cockpit just under the toestrap plate , presumably  that was felt t o be a place  that matched that description ... 

 also intetersitng to note  that how even quite old   GRP boats can  have that styrene  smell smell if you ope nthe bungs  / hatches after a long  time ... 
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Boats can very easily leak without a breather.  Cold water and a warm day when you seal the hatches creates a partial vaccum as already described.  Additonally as you move abround the deck it flexes very very slightly and guess what you can pump air out and .. water in.  This can happen anyway, which is why sometimes it is very difficuly to find some leaks when off the water but you are loading the dice if the sealed hull is already likely to be at -ve pressure.  

So always have a breather .... btw some of the most common causes of leaking are 'O' ring seals around hatches and drain bungs.  Consider replacing the 'O' rings just occasionally ! 
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You aren't building up that much pressure are you?

You don't need a large pressure difference across a hull to end up with a significant load on the deck/hull seam (or elsewhere). If you have any sort of weak point it's likely to be made worse if you don't have a breather. Assuming your hatches are vertical, and only under water exceptionally, a 2-3mm hole drilled in the middle of the cover should be all you need to prevent damaging pressure differentials, with little likelihood of significant water influx. 
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Johnjack,
when pressurised hull is placed in water, cooler water reduces pressure in hull causing a vacuum, this can suck in air/water to equalise pressure.
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