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    Posted: 27 Jun 17 at 11:58pm
Everybody is entitled to one 'cock up' we are human after all and do forget things. If people miss occasionally that's acceptable (as long as they are suitably contrite and it's not always the same people). Not being willing to give 5 minutes to help put the safety boat to bed is ridiculous. 
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We also use dutyman. Seems to work most of the time but people still miss occasionally, which I guess is to be expected.

Everyone over 16 has at least one duty, and a Wednesday night sailor one or 2 for that as well. Rupertson was surprised to find himself with a duty 7 years ago, age 10, possibly due to clerical error, but has been doing them regularly ever since. They are a nice, social thing to do, really.
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Originally posted by 423zero

TT, most don't even try to justify why they haven't turned up, most common is I forgot.

sounds like your sailing sec needs a protocol to begin to communicate to individuals maybe a month and two weeks before their designated duty.
It's a bit difficult to 'forget' if you've been reminded.  It at least puts the onus on the member to arrange a last minute swap.  

This. We use dutyman which sends auto reminders, but the designated OOD also calls round to "remind" a week or two before. At this time of year there can be difficulties with non renewal of membership, so those down for a duty aren't members anymore.
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Could it go back to the centre/squad culture where sailors are used to having everything laid on by somebody else? Back in the day I was aware of the obligation to do duties a couple of times a year because, rather than me sailing and having dad look after everything else, he was also sailing (and doing duties) so rigging my own boat was normal as was the 'duty' culture prevalent in sailing clubs.
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Originally posted by 423zero

TT, most don't even try to justify why they haven't turned up, most common is I forgot.

sounds like your sailing sec needs a protocol to begin to communicate to individuals maybe a month and two weeks before their designated duty.

It's a bit difficult to 'forget' if you've been reminded.  It at least puts the onus on the member to arrange a last minute swap.  
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Exactly the same as Oli's old place and committee saying same apple cart nonsense.
TT, most don't even try to justify why they haven't turned up, most common is I forgot.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Oli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 17 at 12:49pm
we have had similar problems at my old club for years with people not turning up for duties, so i proposed either a buy out fee or a "fine" as an incentive (fine could be monetary or warning against your membership) and was told that they didn't want to rock the apple cart and upset people, what about upsetting the people who do volunteer?  My solution was to move to a club that i haven't seen a single person drop out without notice!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 17 at 10:24am
Originally posted by A2Z

To an extent, I think this is an age thing. When you are in your 20s and 30s there is a whole world to explore, and tieing yourself to an expensive and time consuming hobby seems very constraining. When you have settled down and had kids, your sense of community and society changes and it can feel very rewarding to undertake selfless acts to support others.


I think you are right.  Whether or not you can come back to commitments like duties when kids are around depends very much on whether the kids are actively involved in the sailing club too.   There seems to be a rather false assumption on this forum that those who identify 'duties' as a barrier to sailing aren't contributing voluntary or charitable effort elsewhere in their lives.   
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Do you use Dutyman so that individuals confirm to accept the duty? That way, the OOD can see in advance who has not yet confirmed they are turning up and phone them to remind them. If they fail to turn up after confirming they will, that is a pretty miserable state of affairs.

I generally find most people actually quite enjoy their duties if/when they turn up, provided they aren't too frequent (couple of times a year). Those that sail regularly accept that it is just part of deal and those that are less frequent sailors can often be re-invigorated by an enforced trip to the club.

However, I fully understand TT's point. I have a work colleague who has sailed as a crewing guest at the local club a few times this year (not for me). He has now exceeded his quota and has been asked to join if he wants to carry on sailing. He has enjoyed the sailing, but it is something he would only do 5-6 more times this year and he is up to his eyes in student fees, saving for a house deposit, wedding planning etc. But equally, he is used to being footloose and fancy-free and doesn't want to tie himself to one hobby. He feels that joining a club, having to do duties, care for a boat etc would commit him to sailing, and the sailing club, more than he is willing to do. And so he will leave, and probably take up kliteboarding as it is more casual and not club based. To an extent, I think this is an age thing. When you are in your 20s and 30s there is a whole world to explore, and tieing yourself to an expensive and time consuming hobby seems very constraining. When you have settled down and had kids, your sense of community and society changes and it can feel very rewarding to undertake selfless acts to support others.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 17 at 10:05am
Okay, cynicism aside for a mo.... 423zero:

the questions that need to be asked are:

1) is this an isolated incident of no-shows?  (I'm assuming not, given the justification you will have gone through personally to write an open letter.  That takes a bit of balls, so respect for that.)

2) Why did they not show up?  Has anyone contacted the members involved?  No need to name and shame them here, but it would be useful in the context of this discussion to understand their reasons.

3) Why, if they knew they were not going to show, did they not inform the Sailing Sec?  That sounds a little bizarre and almost worse that not showing up in the first place imho.


Answers to 2 and 3 might highlight you've simply got a communication issue, not a broader problem with volunteer resources.  The fact that you are also talking about 'putting something on the noticeboard' as your primary communication tool, might also want a re-think if you are trying to reach out to those who are not actively attending the club that duties are second nature.  

Is your club on Facebook etc? 

Does your club use dutyman with automated email reminders?

Does anyone pick up the phone or write or email or text message each person the week before their duty?




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