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    Posted: 07 May 17 at 5:55pm
We've been doing a running/sailing biathlon with the Juniors here for years, as a relay event.
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Aquathon, 
Run round lake,
Swim out to tethered boats,
Sail a set distance.
Perhaps make it a day event for charity.
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Originally posted by blueboy


Originally posted by turnturtle

Mountain Bike trail centres, Windsurfing centres, Snowdomes etc are all pay and play and offer a sustainable business model
Sustainable business model. Is that so?My local MTB venue - closed down.The vast majority of windsurfing centres that existed at one time - closed down.There are only a handful of Snowdomes across the UK, creating a business case for more is hugely problematical and meanwhile, dry slopes everywhere are poorly maintained,  some have closed down and more will.


Windsurfing centres - I was referring to more the holiday rental places, but you are right in the U.K. A lot have closed as the sport made itself far too elitist, and frankly went up a high performance cul-de-sac UK wind stats will never deliver. THe OTC in Weymouth still does OK though, and West Wittering.

Dry slopes - they've been replaced by domes, there's only one I. The UK that even uses if he latest dry slope technology, not that I'd bother with it personally. Domes - two new ones just got planning coneset- Cribbs Causeway in Bristol and another one in the NE- Middlesbrough I think. Cas, Hemel and Chill Factore in Manchester are all relatively new - < 10 years old - and going strong with a far broader demographic in attendance than sailing clubs.

MTB centres - you could right, but the buzz I heard was that the good ones are well over subscribed and around here, organised rides (open meeting equivalents) require very early booking to avoid disappointment
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What about a triathlon type event with sailing instead of swimming.
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Coastal path walking, trips to the woods, camping, National trust visits, all doing well? Easy access, decentish kit cheap, very good kit somewhat expensive, but low hundreds, not thousands, no special training needed, no need for commitment.

It is the rise in Triathlon that really interests me, though. Huge fitness commitment, kit not cheap, 3 sports to get good at. How come so many are playing? Is it an interesting replacement for the gym? Is there because for the most part, it is about personal achievement, finishing, maybe a PB, not about winning outright? Sailing is actually difficult to measure in that way. Nearest we get are races like the Birkett, 3 Rivers, round Sheppey etc, which are difficult to replicate at small clubs, and almost impossible for a beginner to take part in.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote blueboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 17 at 7:37am
Originally posted by turnturtle

Mountain Bike trail centres, Windsurfing centres, Snowdomes etc are all pay and play and offer a sustainable business model


Sustainable business model. Is that so?

My local MTB venue - closed down.

The vast majority of windsurfing centres that existed at one time - closed down.

There are only a handful of Snowdomes across the UK, creating a business case for more is hugely problematical and meanwhile, dry slopes everywhere are poorly maintained,  some have closed down and more will.
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local university students, supplement their loans with fee from sailing club, train them to do safety or ood.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Oinks Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 17 at 10:35pm
If we had to pay a relatively small amount per race that paid for a designated club RO (or two|) I certainly wouldn't have a problem. Somebody perhaps retired but experienced in these things. Back to my kebab...
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by davidyacht

Would you be better having shorter series but with two back to back races for today's time poor family persons?
And sorry to rake up this old chestnut, but back in the day, the trip to our sailing club was a family day out ... with youngsters racing Cadets whilst dad and mum sailed Merlins or 12's ... now the youngsters go squad training and mum and dad do the driving; so you could hit both nails on the head.


Easy to blame squads etc, but I guess that was all back in the day when 'the man of the house' got to choose where family leisure time would be spent.   The kids would be pushed afloat crying and cold- 'nothing a woolly jumper couldn't put right' and if 'er indoors' didn't like getting wet, well then she could jolly well pull her weight on Galley Duty.

My Mrs thinks sailing clubs, in general, are the pits for non-sailors.... especially the inland ones. I can relate as I find stables on a par, except I'd probably say the old man damp kit probably smells worse than freshly shovelled horse sh*t.

In our case a fair number of those Cadets are still sailing today ... 40 or so years on, so it couldn't have been such a bad experience.

I take what you say about mum in the galley, and I think we moved on from there and in any case a fair number of mums sailed too.  BUT I really think that the family aspect is really important for clubs to embrace.  I joined one of what is perceived by some to be one of the finest dinghy sailing clubs in the country 25 years ago, lasted a couple of years before my wife got hacked off because the children were not allowed on the lawn.
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Maybe a way of looking at it is that the total cost to belong and race is what it is and feel if it gives me lots of options to sail and belong then I happy with my choice
We have non sailing members who do not pay for my racing and I think should not either. They have helped the club get to what it is today in many ways and now they still feel like being members to stay a part of the club and also help to run it.
We also have some social members as we have something for them to enjoy, a nice view and a great club house with great food and drink.
We need these people, they help to pay for the cost of running the club and in some cases have dug deep to help to continue to improve the club for me as well.
I look at them and wonder what they get from it but I thank them anyway.
I will stay a member as long as i can afford to but when i cant I leave. I feel part of my club, time and money will tell how long for!
As for turn outs I feel that the one thing that helps is the availability of a crew or the option to sail a single handed boat. So many people want to helm so crews are hard to come by. 
We have class racing only, so it can be hard to prize young people away from the fun or fast boats, Who do come and sail are the older members in the faster keel boat  F/F is ours. Ex dinghy sailors who want something a bit steady but has great racing, this fleet is growing each year.
We have so much choice in this world and commitments also, you just have to find what you can to enjoy and the time you to do it and hope you find more people to enjoy it with you. 
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