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Poll Question: Stay with RYA or form new association
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    Posted: 25 Apr 17 at 3:48pm
Well you all know my view of the RYA and I have supported it as many of my peers did for the forty or so years I've experienced it's existence, but it was always as a better the devil you know and as an entity to block Whitehalls potential incursion into taxing and licensing water use and as far as that bit goes they've done the job.
As the b**tard ginger step child nobody wanted, windsurfing has about got what we expected and those expectations were not particularly high in the first place but for a period the RYA afforded an umbrella within which we could organise ourselves unilaterally and we did and for a while things were OK, then came that day in Lyme Regis and the world changed after that. It was only since I turfed up on the dinghy scene which I always thought the RYA catered for that I realised they bugger you lot about more than they did us.

I never really thought anything we could organise would stand in the place of the RYA, but I do think a sort of Super Class/Body/Federation on the face of it governing Open Handicap racing and offering all the things I've been cracking on about, fairer handicaps, boat ratings, box rule event co ordination, adult race training, manufacturer/ trade liason re handicaps and ratings and with sensible folk to talk to rather than the sort of jobsworths you tend to come across at the RYA these days, that was all.

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Originally posted by transient

Originally posted by turnturtle

 
So far the poll indicates that a new organisation's 'approval rating' is sub 25%.... in other words, it would be doomed before it started!!!
 What I find alarming is that 52% think the RYA doesn't need changing.I'll stick my neck out here and say there is not one organisation anywhere that couldn't benefit from some changes.



As per earlier post, I'm one of the 52% that acknowledge the RYA is continuously evolving, as such, both the top options are the same to me.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 17 at 1:58pm
Seems crazy talk to me, evolution not revolution is the way. Nothing stays the same forever even it wants to, external factors will see to that. Sailing could easily drop out of the Olympics as that event itself becomes more and expensive and possibly unsustainable in it's current form. 
Being completely selfish I would say that the RYA does for me a mass of admin that I have no interest in, regulatory lobbying, competence certs for those who need them further abroad..................

Loss of funding to chase medal targets could well be a blessing in disguise. Putting the focus back on simply sailing as fulfilling exercise in it's own right and forcing more local initiatives and self reliance.

I wouldn't necessarily say that "money is the root of all evil" but it does bring it's own demons to the party. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote transient Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 17 at 1:31pm
Originally posted by turnturtle

 

So far the poll indicates that a new organisation's 'approval rating' is sub 25%.... in other words, it would be doomed before it started!!!

 

What I find alarming is that 52% think the RYA doesn't need changing.


I'll stick my neck out here and say there is not one organisation anywhere that couldn't benefit from some changes.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote jeffers Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 17 at 12:05pm
Dont forget there have been many inititives tried to bring similar classes or like minded individuals together.

Anyone remember FastSail or TASA?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 17 at 11:26am
Originally posted by JimC

But many of those posts in recent threads are the same old nonsense from the same few people. It doesn't make it any more true, but it may be that a constant drip of unmoderated lies, insults and allegations of corruption causes folk with a more informed knowledge of the situations to simply give up on the topics.

It wouldn't be a forum without a conspiracy theorist or two..... besides human nature means that any alternative organisation would go through all the same infancy issues that have affected dinghy racers the RYA have long since put behind them.  

Case in point-  I don't think anyone who is properly informed on how PYs are recommended actually thinks there's any collusion in the room, not anymore at least..... it's impossible, there's nigh-on zero empirical evidence in play, meaning rightly or wrongly, it's just based on statistical data alone.  

A new organisation would end up 'four legs good, two legs better'... assuming it's successful enough to survive more than a year or two of initial enthusiasm.  

So far the poll indicates that a new organisation's 'approval rating' is sub 25%.... in other words, it would be doomed before it started!!!



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Post Options Post Options   Quote GarethT Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 17 at 11:22am
As a father of 2 sailors who have gone through the squad system, I've always been intrigued to know what people mean by being 'spat out''.

Is it not being selected?
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At our club I race an RYA National Class dinghy, where the RYA adminster the class rules, issue certificates and sail numbers, and train our measurers.  My club has benefited from a £50k Sport England grant facilitated by the RYA providing new changing rooms, we have a fleet of poly boats to train our youths, facilitated with Sport England grants.  When I go racing, I race to World Sailing rules of which the RYA are the MNA, and three of our club races use PY numbers, administered by the RYA.  A group of our youths have been sailing RS Teras as part of the South West Regional youth squad, and each March a whole load of us go to the National Dinghy Exhibition; 

I doubt if a renegade organisation could do all of this, in a world where few people are prepared to step up to the mark.

My disappointment is that there remain issues where the RYA could improve, not just in delivery, but in how they communicate with the adult racing dinghy fraternity.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote jeffers Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 17 at 10:38am
Originally posted by JimC

But many of those posts in recent threads are the same old nonsense from the same few people. It doesn't make it any more true, but it may be that a constant drip of unmoderated lies, insults and allegations of corruption causes folk with a more informed knowledge of the situations to simply give up on the topics.

I was definitely an RYA sceptic until my hand was forced a little as I did a DI course. I then met our RDO and got involved. There are some good people (RYA employees) doing some great work away from RYA towers.
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But many of those posts in recent threads are the same old nonsense from the same few people. It doesn't make it any more true, but it may be that a constant drip of unmoderated lies, insults and allegations of corruption causes folk with a more informed knowledge of the situations to simply give up on the topics.
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