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ttc546 
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 Topic: RS400 UpgradesPosted: 31 Mar 17 at 1:18pm |
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Yup, I had a brand new Spice many moons ago. Good fun times with that boat.
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Sam.Spoons
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Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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Posted: 31 Mar 17 at 1:11pm |
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Not a 400 but a similar sized boat and rig, the Spice has a single line system and the main issue is friction in the chute mouth when dropping the kite (and to a lesser extent friction retracting the pole). Launching the kite is no problem.
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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
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Oinks
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Joined: 24 Oct 14 Location: Bandol Online Status: Offline Posts: 267 |
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Posted: 31 Mar 17 at 10:18am |
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Nobody I know still uses the single-line hoist. Its been tried a few times on the 4 but there is just too much rope and too much friction.
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ttc546
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Posted: 31 Mar 17 at 10:01am |
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I read the very long thread Sam Spoons posted a link to regarding the original proposed changes. - http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7237&PN=1&title=rs400-proposed-changes
Lots of discussion on the single line pole and spinnaker hoist proposal. What are peoples experience of doing this conversion since then? Worth it or not? It seems a lot of people still use the separate halyard and pole launch systems. Mine is set like that still. Edited by ttc546 - 31 Mar 17 at 10:01am |
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Oinks
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Posted: 31 Mar 17 at 12:10am |
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With the old straight luff main, we used to set the mast up straight in most conditions but mid range, to get the large-ish roach to stand up, we put a tiny amount of inversion in. You couldn't see that if you stood back from the boat but you could sighting up the luff groove with just the jib hoisted and full rig tension. A lot of people were doing this when we all had the old-style main. I'm not sure with the new main (with more luff curve) that there is any general consensus even now. Some go well with the previous "straight mast" setup. We found it too "stuttery" upwind in a breeze, put in a small amount of pre-bend, put a little more tension in the battens than we had previously to get the leech to stand up and it goes fine now. Needs big mainsheet tension in medium winds but it always did anyhow.
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RS400atC
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Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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Posted: 30 Mar 17 at 8:33pm |
Was it really that long ago? AIUI, the 'more luff curve in the main' thing was supposed to mean we'd all move the spreaders back a bit and more pre-bend would help stop the mast breaking with the kite up. What actually happened was the top people kept the spreaders the same and got a heavier crew. But the nett difference is very small.Particularly on a proper w/l course. I think the new sails with a heavier crew have a real edge on a course with tight or two-sail reaches. But that's about all, unless you're trying for the top 3 at the Nationals. Most of the hulls are indeed fine, but there are some out there which have been beaten to death. Let's face it, mine is in the middle of the number range and it's 20 years old. A lot have been raced hard, some on the sea. Some have done a lot of road miles around the circuit too. |
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ClubRacer
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Joined: 26 Sep 15 Online Status: Offline Posts: 210 |
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Posted: 30 Mar 17 at 7:52pm |
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the hulls became vinylester the same time they re-shaped the thwart so you can tell which is which. As someone said, this was done at around late 1300's
The hulls are almost bullet proof, there is very little or next to no difference in them. 2016 nationals results places 3-4 boats from 2003-2004
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rs41212
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Joined: 27 Mar 17 Online Status: Offline Posts: 9 |
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Posted: 30 Mar 17 at 2:50pm |
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2011 was the development boat, currently the fleet is on about 1460. I think numbers from around 1380 are vinylester. The square rig change didn't make it through but the sails did get a redesign. There's more luff curve in the new sail.
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jeffers
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Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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Posted: 30 Mar 17 at 2:39pm |
I dont think they have got that high in terms of sail number. 2011 was probably a number assigned just for testing. I believe all the changes went through so hullds from some time in 2012 will be vinylester rather than polyester.
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Paul
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 30 Mar 17 at 2:26pm |
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From around hull number (sail number?) 2011 if the suggestion in this old thread was voted through at the first attempt?
http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7237&PN=1&title=rs400-proposed-changes
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