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    Posted: 14 Feb 17 at 2:42pm
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"... who get all those things right every time they go out. "

...but do they? I think over the course of a race they get more things right than those racing against them. Same in any race, club level, olympic level. But all things every time? Not even sure they'd admit to that!
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And the guys that regularly big events are the ones who get all those things right every time they go out.

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Originally posted by ifoxwell

I would suggest that its different every time you go out.
If your sailing on a small inland venue then boat handling and coordination are key. 
If your in a big one design fleet then tactics could be the thing that makes the difference
Alternatively if your out at sea with minimal tide and constant wind then boatspeed is everything
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I would suggest that its different every time you go out.

If your sailing on a small inland venue then boat handling and coordination are key. 
If your in a big one design fleet then tactics could be the thing that makes the difference
Alternatively if your out at sea with minimal tide and constant wind then boatspeed is everything

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Fair comment :) I'd still say that disastrous starts happen even to the best and if you're last in a championship fleet it might still be worth taking a flier 'cos you're not going to win by sailing up the middle. If your bad start landed you 10th out of 50 the conservative/relentless approach is undoubtedly correct. 
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

(but if you're already last.....).

You ain't looking for the extra 2-3% then...

Champions only hit corners for good strategic reasons (tide, geographic factors or weather fronts for instance) or if it's a one-off winner takes all race like the PoW and there is no other way back.

Apart from exceptional circumstances, it's about relentlessly doing the right thing; right strategy, right tactics, impeccable boat handling, keeping the boat moving optimally (not slamming a wave or stalling in a lull) and avoiding trouble. Some of us can do this some of the time, the top guys are always on it. But it's a complex sport; aberrations can happen - often the championship winning races are not the runaway bullets but the recoveries.

Unlike Mike H, I'm by no means a champion sailor. But if I get done-over at the start for instance, I just view it from then on as a pursuit race, decide that I can often beat the guys now ahead by further than they are away, sail the fleet (avoiding dog-fights for 12th) keep chipping away. Most also suffer performance-fade towards the end of a race - catching up is therefore not a straight-line time-function. 




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Getting 'through' a fleet is only really er 'easy' if there are fast oscillating shifts and the reason you can do it is very often that far into a race, 'they' are all focussed on each other rather than the main event which is to get round the marks.
So, I tended to clear my head focus just on the next mark and ignore everything and everybody other than that, the mark provides a reference to stay in synch with the particular shift you are on, one must also always remember in these conditions, whatever shift you have, is not necessarily relevant to what others might have on different parts of the course, so you can only deal with what you have. By all means glance at other boat/board groups to ascertain what's going on and wether or not there may be more 'pressure' elsewhere, but fundamentally the mark is where you're going and you need to get there quicker than them, so just aim at it, as close as the wind will allow, on whichever tack that is - simples.

Er a quick qualifier to that, the only reason not to go directly to the mark is if there is significantly more pressure or direction on the horizon, likely to get you there quicker, that you should sail toward.

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That approach is the exact opposite of what was recommended back in the '60s when I was first learning to race. "Taking a likely looking flier" (to quote Eric Twiname) was to be encouraged as, if you are down the pan anyway, small gains might get you from last to halfway up the fleet but will never get you the win. The conservative approach works if you are a better sailor than the majority of the fleet, or the mistake was relatively small (as would likely be the case if you are that aforementioned 'better sailor'). Banging a corner is not a 50:50 bet unless you make the decision on the flip of a coin, and a good choice can (but won't always) bring much bigger gains than sailing up the middle. But, go to the wrong side and the potential losses are equally huge (but if you're already last.....).
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This thread does have some great comments and information. I used to watch boats "sail through" a fleet wondering how the hell they did that? They weren't sailing any faster or marginally. So what makes up the difference? I believe that it is more than 2-3% more like 10%. If a race lasts 60 minutes, 10% is 6 minutes. Where is that won and lost? Not boat speed, that maybe makes up 1-2 minutes? But starts, tacks, marks and gybes. AKA race management. Making clear, fast decisions, getting out of bad situations and capitalizing on opportunities.
When I get a bad start, I am looking to get to the best place on the course as fast as I can, cut the losses as quick as possible. Then exploit opportunity. Do not get on lay lines, do not take flyers. Bit by bit sail clean and fast. Amazing how often that gets you around the course quickly.
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