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JohnJack ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 12 Mar 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 246 |
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Its like driving a car, there is a certain amount of passive concentration going on. When you learn to drive there seems to be an awful lot going on, and the first time you get up to 60mph on an A road it feels really fast. Now doing 70mph on a motorway is a little...... meh if you know what I mean......
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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We used to refer to it as being 'In the Zone', Not so sure I'd apply it to advanced driving, more likely to get you banned in a car, it's when everything comes as you anticipate it should, you're on a performance 'high' wether adrenaline or endorphin generated, only time I could artificially induce it would be by getting angry, either at myself for a foolish error or by someone infringing my progress, but once you get in it, you're superhuman, wish I could do it these days. An extreme example coming round the bottom mark 30th on the last beat and still finishing first, can remember it to this day and every shift on Derwent reservoir, the lake district one, I'd been knocked off at the gybe mark and was mad as hell.. There is absolutely not a snowballs chance in hell of me ever getting 'In the Zone' in a dinghy, but I can see guys who do, remember that quote from Ainslie about it being best not to make him mad... Edited by iGRF - 13 Feb 17 at 11:49am |
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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This is one of the reason why your tacking, gybing and mark rounding manoeuvers need to be done automatically. So you can get your head out of the boat and see what is going on around you. Getting a feel for the wind and how the boats reacts is the next step. Once you can do all of that you can concentrate on the extra bit that will lift you above the competition. There are a lot of mid-fleet people who have some serious boat speed in a straight line but their manoeuvering and tactical decisions let them down badly.
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JohnJack ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 12 Mar 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 246 |
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This is actually a really interesting thread.
Its the difference between the top half dozen at a Nationals who turn up with a serious prospect of winning and then the other fifty odd who have various other targets. It gets really interesting when you get one of the top guys have a bad gybe or something that puts them upside down and once the right way up again they are behind the mid fleet who are squabbling their way around the coarse, needlessly covering each other and pushing high on reaches. I am always amazed with the speed in which they carve through the melee and end up challenging back up the front again. Having had the pleasure of sailing with one of the pro jockeys a few years ago, what got me was the step up in intensity and feel they have for the boat as well as the situational awareness ALL the time, yet they make it look so easy. I felt like a complete bumbling fool/fish out of water (luckily the Pro I was sailing with is a very pleasant fellow and didn't get too annoyed, probably more entertained by my complete uselessness in the front). Though mentally exhausting it was a great experience and I am truly thankful for it. |
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zippyRN ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 437 |
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that's the problem ... ' in the groove' or a performance with 'sparkle' it;s intangible that comes after you have reached unconscious competence ... some people never reach that level of performance they can go through the motions technically well but they just don;t seem ot m get to the bit where the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts ... It happens in the perfomance of any skill whether that;s driving, sailing , dancing or whatever... It's what gets the 'advanced' driver his/her Class 1 / RoSPA gold , it;s what gets the sailor on the podium / that squad place; It's what get's the dancer the contract or the 'vocational school' place ... |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Self belief is certainly true, and my open meeting results have always been better than my Nationals, mainly because I believe I'm good on small water and crap on the sea.
The upwind downwind thing. Upwind, the speeds are similar, but direction is everything. Downwind, especially in a boat like the 300, speed is going to really count. In a boat where the difference between flat out and quite competent is smaller, then I suspect tactical considerations and mark positioning will be relatively more important. This is all 20% stuff, though, not 2%. |
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sargesail ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1459 |
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This great post from Steve helped refine my thoughts on the subject. So I'll add a view looking at what he says here as one of his competitors. It happens that I came across a report from the last time I beat Steve at a meaningful event back in 2007 (even then it went to winner of the last race otherwise it was the same score). The report showed that we both made boat handling errors and tactical errors. That was before Steve had the period in which he was able to practice a lot...and just before my second child arrived which reduced my practice time. So what 1: At that point I would say that Steve did need to have on emphasis on tacking and gybing in his training, but afterwards he did not. And that conversely I have not got back to the point where I could afford to concentrate on long speed runs because my boat handling hasn't been good enough. So what 2: It shows that for the final 2-3% you might need to change your focus in training and process from what made you as good as you are, to what will make you as good as you can be. As an example: I am a relatively conservative tactical sailor...and have got towards the front of a couple of fleets. Our best result was a second in a regatta when we had a speed advantage that meant we needed to be no more than conservative in our tactics. But when I don't enjoy that advantage I probably need to have (build) the confidence to fight for the very best spot on the line. To take bolder tactical decisions, and to have the confidence to bank (and thus minimise) a loss knowing that I had the boat speed to get it back. It's quite a hard step to take!
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Steve411 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Sep 08 Location: Cheddar, Somerset, England Online Status: Offline Posts: 705 |
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Cirrus ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Oct 15 Location: UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 590 |
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'Good boatspeed' makes all your tactical decisions look good
or better..... well broadly 'yes' of course. |
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davidyacht ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1345 |
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Has someone hacked iGRF's account?
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