New Posts New Posts RSS Feed: National/Regional Circuits.
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

National/Regional Circuits.

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1234 11>
Author
zippyRN View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work


Joined: 14 Sep 06
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 437
Post Options Post Options   Quote zippyRN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: National/Regional Circuits.
    Posted: 14 Nov 16 at 10:11pm
Originally posted by rb_stretch

Originally posted by Rupert



But heavier sailors can switch to the bigger the earlier than lighter sailors as the wind drops.


And as the wind gets lighter, the lightweights can also have the big rig. Most heavy sailors will need the biggest rig in up to 20 knots. Below that lighter sailors can start changing up as well. Most sailing conditions mean that the big sailor is only ever using the one rig. Hence they don't get the advantage of multi rigs.



 that's the issue  ... 

someone who is  fit enough and  has good enough technique can hold onto the  same rig as  the 'fatties' even if they are a stone or two underweight   and   any losses  upwind  are made back off the wind 
Back to Top
Sam.Spoons View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 07 Mar 12
Location: Manchester UK
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 3401
Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 16 at 9:48pm
Originally posted by Chris 249

Originally posted by Rupert

A lower wind limit. Only ever suggested by people unable to concentrate on picking up ultra light gusts and shifts.

To be fair, lower wind limits have also been suggested by people who see that the future of the sport is all about spectacular high-speed sailing in ideal conditions.  They are just as wrong as the people you mention, but it's a different type of wrong.
 
Sadly, I have to admit I used to advocate lower wind limits for a while as a teenager, for the exact reason you give....it just took me a while to admit that.



+1 Every sailor has his day, the big guys do well when it blows, the lightweights in marginal conditions and the wily old salt  (regardless of weight) when it's light. If we could just get over ourselves and accept we have strengths and weaknesses (both skill and physique related) we might just enjoy the racing whatever the weather.
Back to Top
JimC View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 17 May 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 6662
Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 16 at 9:45pm
Originally posted by Chris 249


Originally posted by Rupert

A lower wind limit. Only ever suggested by people unable to concentrate on picking up ultra light gusts and shifts.
lower wind limits have also been suggested by people who see that the future of the sport is all about spectacular high-speed sailing in ideal conditions.

There's also the practical point that if tidal stream strength is approaching wind strength then navigation is more or less impossible - and there may be other considerations. If, for instance, your racing fleet has to cross a chain ferry then you do not want to be sailing in conditions where its impossible to get out of the way.
But ultimately the object of the exercise is to have fun. If a fleet/club decides that racing below a given wind strength is not fun, and they'd rather be telling tall tales over a beer in the dinghy park, well, who are we to argue? I can recall a fair few occasions when a fleet cheered when the abandon flag went up, but not any when they sighed or booed...
Back to Top
Sam.Spoons View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 07 Mar 12
Location: Manchester UK
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 3401
Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 16 at 9:40pm
Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by rb_stretch

Anyway there is actually a solution to this that has been used for windsurfers for years - a lower wind limit.

What effectively destroyed competitive windsurfing, lower wind limits, then minimum wind speeds, brought about 1 champion for decades, and reduced participation. Parents taking kids to events and nothing happening didn't see them returning too often. It's what killed the Formula Class.

Worse thing you can do meddling with the weather, it's the one element everyone has to accept.

Absolutely right GRF, a few years ago I trekked all the way to Ullswater one sunny Sunday to be greeted by a perfect 5-6 knot breeze..... racing was cancelled because the f*@!ing Formula boys thought it was too light for their 6 knot minimum. No surprise that Raceboard attendance is 4-5 times that of FW these days (but, sadly, too late to save windsurfing club racing).

I raced the Blaze in a drifter on Sunday, battered old original Sobstadt sail, original centre mainsheet, never sailed the beast before.... Had a lovely afternoon, came last in the handicap fleet but was improving by the end and finished in front of the Enterprises and L2k over the water. New sail tomorrow and off the boom sheeting ready to fit..... I'll do better next week (except it's forecast to blow its t!ts off, more in the boats comfort zone but well out of mine)......


Edited by Sam.Spoons - 14 Nov 16 at 9:49pm
Back to Top
Chris 249 View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 10 May 04
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2041
Post Options Post Options   Quote Chris 249 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 16 at 9:35pm
Originally posted by Rupert

A lower wind limit. Only ever suggested by people unable to concentrate on picking up ultra light gusts and shifts.

To be fair, lower wind limits have also been suggested by people who see that the future of the sport is all about spectacular high-speed sailing in ideal conditions.  They are just as wrong as the people you mention, but it's a different type of wrong.
 
Sadly, I have to admit I used to advocate lower wind limits for a while as a teenager, for the exact reason you give....it just took me a while to admit that.


sailcraftblog.wordpress.com

The history and design of the racing dinghy.
Back to Top
maxibuddah View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 06 Mar 09
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1760
Post Options Post Options   Quote maxibuddah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 16 at 8:31pm
Originally posted by Rupert

A lower wind limit. Only ever suggested by people unable to concentrate on picking up ultra light gusts and shifts. Just as much of a skill as strong wind sailing, and less weight sensitive. I've known some excellent big boned light wind sailors.

I used to go better in the light stuff, and if you've ever met me you'll know I a bit of a lardarse. Now I only think I did so well due to that principle of momentum....
Everything I say is my opinion, honest
Back to Top
iGRF View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 07 Mar 11
Location: Hythe
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 6499
Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 16 at 8:16pm
Originally posted by rb_stretch

Anyway there is actually a solution to this that has been used for windsurfers for years - a lower wind limit.

What effectively destroyed competitive windsurfing, lower wind limits, then minimum wind speeds, brought about 1 champion for decades, and reduced participation. Parents taking kids to events and nothing happening didn't see them returning too often. It's what killed the Formula Class.

Worse thing you can do meddling with the weather, it's the one element everyone has to accept.
Back to Top
Rupert View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 11 Aug 04
Location: Whitefriars sc
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 8956
Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 16 at 8:14pm
A lower wind limit. Only ever suggested by people unable to concentrate on picking up ultra light gusts and shifts. Just as much of a skill as strong wind sailing, and less weight sensitive. I've known some excellent big boned light wind sailors.
Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
Back to Top
rb_stretch View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 23 Aug 10
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 742
Post Options Post Options   Quote rb_stretch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 16 at 7:08pm
Likewise I have lent my Phantom to lightweights when doing duty and they have promptly cleaned up.

Anyway there is actually a solution to this that has been used for windsurfers for years - a lower wind limit.

Good to see the Aero class has separated out people sailing different rigs into each individual class.
Back to Top
gordon1277 View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 24 Mar 10
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 665
Post Options Post Options   Quote gordon1277 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 16 at 4:06pm
Hi Peter
Not in an Aero but a certain Simon Hawkes lent his Phantom to his son Ben for a light wind starcross steamer and did really well whopping all the normal size guys.

Raking rigs
We are not allowed to adjust the shrouds in a Phantom but once the breeze is up we rake and rely on Kicker and lowers to keep the mast upright. It works a treat.
Gordon
Lossc
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1234 11>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.665y
Copyright ©2001-2010 Web Wiz
Change your personal settings, or read our privacy policy