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    Posted: 13 Nov 16 at 10:45pm
Originally posted by Cirrus

This is not logic that stretches the mind of most surely....    'Larger' helms have the edge in some conditons and 'smaller' helms in others.   When each switch each way is up to them.  If the balance of the 'rig  range' favours the 'heavies' or vice versa that is of course a factor that needs some thought - but that will vary from class to class.

If any individual does not like any particular rig range with a class - well that is life and you do have plenty of choice if you really don't like what is in offer.  No different really from any single sail class - but more get to sail for more of the time.


But that wasn't the point that Jeffers was making. I sail a Phantom cause I'm heavy. Someone else will sail a Solution cause they are light. This is exactly what you are saying and I agree.

All we are saying is the allowing multiple rigs effectively reduces the optimum weight range of the boat. If that wasn't the intention (reducing weight range), which I don't think it was, then it has created an unintended consequence.




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Classes such as Merlin's and Scorpion very effectively deport through taking their mast back.
With a one string system fitted it is as easy as adjusting kicker.

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Big cruising yachts dispense sail out of the mast. Trouble is, the masts have to be dead straight all the time, or the furling gear jams. Not good in a dinghy. Not great in a yacht, but easy if performance isn't what you are after.
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18ft Skiffs do it 
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It's about time there were variable size rigs, it is the damned twenty-first century, if the mast thing dispensed more or less sail according to our requirement, less upwind, more downwind, less for small folk more for large then you wouldn't have to have this discussion and it would hardly be rocket science to do it. A shame this sport is stuck in the dark ages.
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Its an interesting debate...but one that has been going on for circa 20 years and the arguments remain the same...IF you sail a singlehanded boat.

This doesn't apply to double-handers. I can't think of any (but that's just me)double-handers where you can just chop and change rigs on the day. Maybe this is the thing...sail a double hander. And if you're light, just get your pie eating mate to jump in and pull the strings. No reason to need a whole rig change. Anyway, singlehanded sailing is over-rated IMHO :)
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Originally posted by Cirrus

This is not logic that stretches the mind of most surely....    'Larger' helms have the edge in some conditons and 'smaller' helms in others.   When each switch each way is up to them.  If the balance of the 'rig  range' favours the 'heavies' or vice versa that is of course a factor that needs some thought - but that will vary from class to class.

If any individual does not like any particular rig range with a class - well that is life and you do have plenty of choice if you really don't like what is in offer.  No different really from any single sail class - but more get to sail for more of the time.

Wot 'e sez :) I was trying to say much the same thing but far less eloquently.....
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And what about mid weight sailors? Sounds like they should be perfectly suited?
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This is not logic that stretches the mind of most surely....    'Larger' helms have the edge in some conditons and 'smaller' helms in others.   When each switch each way is up to them.  If the balance of the 'rig  range' favours the 'heavies' or vice versa that is of course a factor that needs some thought - but that will vary from class to class.

If any individual does not like any particular rig range with a class - well that is life and you do have plenty of choice if you really don't like what is in offer.  No different really from any single sail class - but more get to sail for more of the time.


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Originally posted by Rupert



But heavier sailors can switch to the bigger the earlier than lighter sailors as the wind drops.


And as the wind gets lighter, the lightweights can also have the big rig. Most heavy sailors will need the biggest rig in up to 20 knots. Below that lighter sailors can start changing up as well. Most sailing conditions mean that the big sailor is only ever using the one rig. Hence they don't get the advantage of multi rigs.
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