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Jack Sparrow ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965 |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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In the UK, like the Vortex, that will really be down to the clubs and the sailors. If the consensus is that monohull only clubs want to sail it and cat only clubs don't that will happen. I have a feeling, could easily be wrong that the Vortex was a bit looked down on by mainstream cat sailors. To my mind it looks as if it will sail and handle more like a foiling monohull more of the time. Speed when not foiling, well it would be astonishing if it could be any more competitive than a Moth is under UK yardstick , but I think Dave has said the intention is usable capability to make progress to get out and back to open water. Edited by JimC - 03 Nov 16 at 5:34am |
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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Are there any estimates of the UFO's all-round speed when not foiling, and will it race as a cat in mixed fleets? Despite the Vortex oddity, the UFO seems to be essentially as much a cat as an Yvonne (the first real beach cat class) or Hobie Bravo. One assumes that a boat with two hulls doesn't become a foiler just by having in-line foils, in the same way that cat or tri that is normally sailed only on the main hull isn't classed as a mono.
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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@ Steve Clark thanks for your post and totally agreed "nothing easier than building an expensive boat" in this context. I'm sure I wouldn't care much about the aesthetics ashore when foiling along afloat, particularly at a price well below current Moth levels which is beyond me, given other pressures
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Rupertson had a playmobile catamaran, and it crossed my mind when I saw the UFO, but I thought it, and the UFO, look great in a functional sort of way.
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Jack Sparrow ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965 |
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Now the 'foiling ease of use' has been worked out. I'll wait for the next iteration thanks. Because this one still looks like Playmobil made it.
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Steve Clark ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 14 Jul 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 38 |
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Actually the seams are pretty small, about 50% of what used to be necessary when we glued boats together with polyester bog. Modern glues are really good and we took about 3 kg of weight out of the project by using this simple minimalist bond line. It isn't because we don't know any better.
I haven't discovered a way to do flush glue joints on production GRP parts like this that don't involve significant patching and rework. Maybe we just aren't smart enough, but I have tried lots of different techniques with different styles of tooling and none of them has actually been worth the trouble. Given that this is all well clear of the water moist of the time when it matters, it seemed to us that using the obvious most reliable technique was the right call. Nothing is easier than building an expensive boat. SHC |
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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True, true, but surely removing the massive 'seams' would not be that bank busting? Of course if it has some sexy shapes, clear-coat carbon yadda yaddda it would be 'better' on the trolley from a looks point of view but also a repair cost and maintenance head-ache. I get the white, white or white colour choice and simplicity = low cost for everything else. It's just the seams and the front end of that central pod I just can't "get" |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Think all I can do is to repeat my SA post: Its probably inevitable that if you shave every last dollar off the cost there's a tendency to look as if you've been shaving dollars off the cost. But its just like weight saving: you don't need to compromise on it very much before you find you've compromised it completely. There's certainly a place for immaculate super elegant boutique craft, and the Clarks have built plenty of them. However that place represents maybe about three boats a year and does exactly nothing to grow the sport. Even more so now that western society is tending to split into an executive class with loads of resources (who would tend to run status filled leadmines) and the vast body of people who can barely afford a boat at all. Edited by JimC - 30 Oct 16 at 8:28pm |
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This was taken last year but it is still damm good more so as i am in it
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