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ifoxwell ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jan 06 Location: Hoo Online Status: Offline Posts: 669 |
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Yup everyone thinks that the lighter the boat the better, and although there are a lot of obvious benefits its not all good. The livelier the boat the harder it is just to keep it sitting on its trolly on a windy day or to keep it upright when recovering from a capsize for example .
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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I guess it's a balancing act (pun intended). Lighter is definitely better on the trolly though
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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That's over simplistic. An awful lot of the Aero's light weight comes from it being a rather small boat, so there simply isn't that much material. |
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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It's the same size as the D-Zero and shorter but wider than a Laser. It weighs half what a laser does and 2/3rds of a D-Zero ergo less material in the hull. Logically that means thinner lay-ups. Coming from 30 years of windsurfing and even having built a couple of boards I know from experience that lighter construction always means a less robust hull. That can be mitigated to an extent by better materials (epoxy instead of polyester, kevlar in place of glass etc) but a lighter hull is definitely going to reward careful handling.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Total surface area is what counts for weight though. There's a hell of a lot more material in a DZero |
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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As far as I am aware the Aero is laid up using an infusion technique (I could be wrong). the D-Zero is more of a traditional layup. In terms of overall surface area I would say there is very little to choose between them.
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Daniel Holman ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997 |
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I imagine that there is not much diff in surface area between aero and zero. Zero a tad longer I guess.
Zero has 300gsm laminate as designed, aero 200gsm, which accounts for the difference, which I am lead to believe is around 8kg. And I concur with Sam spoons that a thicker laminate dramatically enhances robustness. 200gsm is fine globally you will just have to look after it 50% more carefully :-). Saw something from moth nationals alister richardsons home build is 80gsm (carbon) over nomex now that is brave!!! |
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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He could probably fill it with helium and have it levitate without foils
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Cirrus ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Oct 15 Location: UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 590 |
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The Aero is epoxy - the D-0 is I think vinyl-ester, the Laser polyester (I'm sure to be corrected if wrong here !) . The lay-ups vary enormously and so on. The laser has alloy spars the other two 'carbon' .... Very difficult to compare and not necessarily appropriate to do so but on PY paper the handicaps must, in part, reflect these amongst many other factors - as they do. I race against all three regularly and the relative speeds experienced appear to be ... well I'd say the Aero 9 is generally the faster, pretty closely followed by the D-0 with the Laser a fair way behind.
'Durability' is very far from related to just weight of lay-up, resin system employed and so on... there are many papers and books on the subject ... and boring indeed they tend to be. ;-) Best to put down the keyboard really and simply try all you can .. Edited by Cirrus - 14 Sep 16 at 3:20pm |
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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I refer to my post from a couple of pages ago
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