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    Posted: 13 Sep 16 at 9:24pm
Sounds like fun!
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The Europe in question is a very old boat (sail number obscured on the hull plate) with a tin rig and which has been standing in the weather for some considerable time so the buoyancy tanks have probably been full of water for a good while. Either way it should be cheap and if it's under 60kg sailing weight I'll be highly impressed.

Gonna try anything on the list I can blag a sail in over the next few weeks. There are Aeros, D-Zeros, Lightning Streaker and Comet at my 'home' club and a dormant Blaze at another local club if I can track down the owner (may be a deal to be done there). I'll keep you posted  Cool
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15kg is 33% of minimum weight; I'd be amazed if it had put on that much!  I had my 1991 boat re-weighed in 2010 and it had put on all of 0.5kg allowing me to remove the 0.3kg of correctors it had fitted at build.  Not bad for a 19 year old polyester hull.

Good luck with the trial sail.  As many have already said if you get the opportunity try the Aero, Blaze and anything else you can get your hands on too!
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Originally posted by andy h

The Europe might be worth a punt at that price.  Low boom is counteracted by technique as per Finn and OK.  I wouldn't shorten the leech or rake the mast forward to increase clearance or you'll wreck the efficiency of the rig ... it's designed to sheet the boom down to the deck once you're hiking upwind.  The design is old ... but good.  Sadly not much class racing left here though.

No class racing of any kind at the clubs I'm involved in, and only Laser or Solo at the other local ponds so that's not an issue. I would keep it standard and learn to sail it or move it on if I can't. A trial sail should tell me if it's a complete non-starter and that should be forthcoming in the next few weeks.

It'll be interesting to weigh it, I'm guessing at +15kg over the minimum 45kg so around Laser weight with the rig (say 75kg)?


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Big smile Gonna do some sailing next, including the Europe for sale near me. That will probably be available for very cheap Laser money (certainly under £500, if I buy it a lot under £500) so even if it's not ideal I could keep it for a year while I decide on the perfect boat. The problem is you've got me thinking now, really I need two singlehanders, a Blaze for the coast and something else for the lake  Wink

that is the best advice and try a variety of conditions in each boat if you can.

LOL I don't think I'll be able to get away with three boats  Ouch
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The Europe might be worth a punt at that price.  Low boom is counteracted by technique as per Finn and OK.  I wouldn't shorten the leech or rake the mast forward to increase clearance or you'll wreck the efficiency of the rig ... it's designed to sheet the boom down to the deck once you're hiking upwind.  The design is old ... but good.  Sadly not much class racing left here though.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Big smile Gonna do some sailing next, including the Europe for sale near me. That will probably be available for very cheap Laser money (certainly under £500, if I buy it a lot under £500) so even if it's not ideal I could keep it for a year while I decide on the perfect boat. The problem is you've got me thinking now, really I need two singlehanders, a Blaze for the coast and something else for the lake  Wink

that is the best advice and try a variety of conditions in each boat if you can.
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Big smile Gonna do some sailing next, including the Europe for sale near me. That will probably be available for very cheap Laser money (certainly under £500, if I buy it a lot under £500) so even if it's not ideal I could keep it for a year while I decide on the perfect boat. The problem is you've got me thinking now, really I need two singlehanders, a Blaze for the coast and something else for the lake  Wink
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Sam .... do try everything first !  Your weight is absolutely fine for the Blaze and the boat has a very good reputation in 'proper' breeze.....

... and if it is really survival conditons and I do mean when virtually everyone else is back on shore or upside down you still have the Fire option with it..... But don't take my word about the Blaze anymore than you should take the 'steer' from the advocates of the alternatives - always always try for yourself first......  
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Minisail?

I know, very uncool and slow, but actually when dogs are being blown off chains, it is, with some mods, damn quick on a reach, but still stable. You won't want my wooden one, but there is a glass one available for virtually nothing at Littleton. Could be fun to play with while trying to decide between all the boats which cost actual money!
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