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    Posted: 13 Sep 16 at 12:34pm
If your real worry is simply getting under the boom, just shorten the leach of the sail.
Myself, if I was looking for a singlehander, I'd either be looking for a bunch of people with the same boat to race against, or not spending much money.
All these newer boats seem like a lot of cash to not race seriously.
If you are small and agile enough for an older Moth, it looks like cheap fun and a light wind weapon.
If where you sail is suitable, RS600 or MPS!
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Rerig a Europe with an old bolt rope International Moth rig?

What you'd end up with would measure as an Int Moth and be rather like my veteran International (below). You'd just have to be rather careful about reinforcement for the stays.



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Both have been considered but most used Streakers I've seen are wooden boats which I don't have the inclination for. Lightning 368 does look a good boat (almost a modern take on the Europe hull shape) but there aren't many used examples around. The reason I fancy the Europe because I used to sail an OK so the rig is familiar, it's lighter than anything else I've considered (except the Aero), I'm at the top of it's weight range (I'm good in the light stuff so being relatively heavy for the boat will help me when it blows) and I think it's a nice looking boat. However I may not be bendy enough to cope with the low boom (remembering my OK sailing youth).

My brief is for a light, easy to sail, una rig singlehander suited to my 63 years and 5'6"/75kg when it blows. Class/fleet racing not an issue as it's all handicap where I sail.

I have a Spice to get my trapeze/assymetric thrills and spills for those days when I have a crew
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If considering a Europe, why not a Streaker or a Lightning? Apologies if this was covered further back in the thread. Similar speed, similar style of sailing, similar weight range, higher boom!

I went to the Lightning from a Europe and found the extra elbow room well worth the change. Not owned a Streaker, but they seem to be very well sorted boats.

The Aero is quicker, though, despite being not much bigger. The other boats on the list are a step up in size, like going from Polo/Fiesta debate to Golf/Focus. The right thing to do if you need more boot space!
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Solution...... pretty unavailable on the secondhand market.


Heres a thing, after a very quick search, a 2nd hand Aero is between £4500 and £6000 for a boat at least a year old

Brand new Solution straight out of Ovingtons ready to sail £5750, or a 3 month old one, again direct from Ovington, £5350.

If you are up North, there are a few at South Shields sailing club and with Ovingtons the other side of the Tyne should be fairly easy to get a test ride in one.

Only really pointing this out from a cost point of view.


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Solution and H2 are both pretty unavailable on the secondhand market. D-Zero too unless I drop lucky. I had considered the fact that RS had sold rather more Aeros than Devoti D-Zeros (and way more than Solution) and that was the reason for the equally large number on the used market. By the same token the Solution may well be the 'solution' if I could find one in budget.

Realistically the shortlist is :-

Aero
Blaze
Europe

I raced Raceboards for many years at NW regional level and the occasional national (work got in the way of more but I was on the UKBSA Club team championships winning team a few times and even won the Vets class in the RB 7.5s at the Youths and Masters back in 2003) so I love the Aero for being so light. I also love my Spice (for all it's a very de-tuned 'skiff' and 'a bit heavy.....') so the family resemblance of the Blaze is attractive (it's, basically, a fab looking boat). I hope to sail some of those three in the next few weeks. Attractions/distractions :-

I'm attracted to :-

The Blaze's wings/power without maximum hiking effort* all the time.
The sheer simplicity and lightweight of the Aero
The Europe's rig (ex OK sailor), light weight and low price.

I'm concerned by :-

The Blaze's optimal sailor weight, rig power and all up weight.
The Aero's cost, size (is it cramped to sail) and will the lightness make it over lively (and will the damn thinkg blow away if I capsize it and fail to hang on to something?)
The Europe's low boom and old design.

Oh and here's the curve ball, somebody has suggested a used RS300...... half the price of an Aero and super quick in the right hands but (my impression is) very tricky to sail, especially downwind, and on the sea. Also the Blaze is way prettier than the 300.....

* if your bum is already 1225 mm from the centreline then getting it further out only makes half as much difference as it would in a Laser where it's only 650 mm out when you first slide it over the gunnel  Embarrassed


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... and the Europe has a hull weight of 45kg vs. the 56kg of the Solution too.
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GRF - think the aero is 'there' with quite a few kg to spare imo ... just saying and it is up to anyone to make up their own minds of course :-)  .... does not necessarily make it fastest of course but it is certainly the lightest.


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The Solution is a nicer sail than the Aero and weight wise considerably lighter than everything else on that list than the Zero. It needs to be on your list to at least get a go in, I've sailed or observed at very close quarters all those on your list except the H2 which is a big old boat (in a good but not necessarily light way).
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I'd not be so harsh on the Aero!   It is in part a measure of the huge success and numbers already sold.  A lot of people however rush into the latest classes carried away with the 'recomendations' of their new friends and today the social media chatter and noise of others - but this does mean that others can then benefit if the original purchaser subsequently decides the grass really was 'greener' elsewhere !

The boat itself is good - it is a capable all rounder (important to me at least) and goes well both inland and particularly on the lumpy/salty stuff.  It really does fit the 'laser replacement' slot and now has true international credentials on top.  It is imo directly chasing this slot closer than anyone .. if you believe that slot exists.    I like what I sail, (in case you have not worked it out .. the Blaze btw !) but I do really like the Aero as well.  I've sailed/raced all of them on your list except the H2... they all have +ve's dependng on what you are after. 

As ever 'each to their own' ....        

Edited by Cirrus - 12 Sep 16 at 6:02pm
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