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    Posted: 13 Sep 16 at 8:52am
If considering a Europe, why not a Streaker or a Lightning? Apologies if this was covered further back in the thread. Similar speed, similar style of sailing, similar weight range, higher boom!

I went to the Lightning from a Europe and found the extra elbow room well worth the change. Not owned a Streaker, but they seem to be very well sorted boats.

The Aero is quicker, though, despite being not much bigger. The other boats on the list are a step up in size, like going from Polo/Fiesta debate to Golf/Focus. The right thing to do if you need more boot space!
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Both have been considered but most used Streakers I've seen are wooden boats which I don't have the inclination for. Lightning 368 does look a good boat (almost a modern take on the Europe hull shape) but there aren't many used examples around. The reason I fancy the Europe because I used to sail an OK so the rig is familiar, it's lighter than anything else I've considered (except the Aero), I'm at the top of it's weight range (I'm good in the light stuff so being relatively heavy for the boat will help me when it blows) and I think it's a nice looking boat. However I may not be bendy enough to cope with the low boom (remembering my OK sailing youth).

My brief is for a light, easy to sail, una rig singlehander suited to my 63 years and 5'6"/75kg when it blows. Class/fleet racing not an issue as it's all handicap where I sail.

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Rerig a Europe with an old bolt rope International Moth rig?

What you'd end up with would measure as an Int Moth and be rather like my veteran International (below). You'd just have to be rather careful about reinforcement for the stays.



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If your real worry is simply getting under the boom, just shorten the leach of the sail.
Myself, if I was looking for a singlehander, I'd either be looking for a bunch of people with the same boat to race against, or not spending much money.
All these newer boats seem like a lot of cash to not race seriously.
If you are small and agile enough for an older Moth, it looks like cheap fun and a light wind weapon.
If where you sail is suitable, RS600 or MPS!
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Surprising that you have now discounted the D-Zero. Numbers are growing steadily and the fleet has an enthusiastic following. The few boats that have appeared for sale second hand have been quickly snapped up.

You say you are in Anglesey, there is a good fleet of D-Zeros at Shotwick Lake near Chester and I am sure one of the guys there would be happy for you to take their boat out for a spin. If you want some contact details then drop me a PM. Failing that Boat Bits are the Northern Sales agent and will sort you out with a demo.
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OK so Solution v Aero.

1)You can get back into a Solution easier than an Aero should you fall out so far it's only happened to me twice and one of those where I missed the hiking strap and chucked myself in.

2)It's less likely to ahem 'blow away' in very strong winds

3)If you hit something underwater hard it's less likely to split the case.

4)It's easier to find an upwind 'groove' than the Aero which personally I found tricky even on relatively flat Grafham water, the 9m sail flow point wanders, however I bet it's not such a problem with the Aero 7.

5)The Solution sail size is optimum, at <70kgs I can handle the 8.5 in quite lively winds and it depowers quite easily from a control right there next to you. I didn't notice any features to rake the rig on the fly with the Aero but I could be wrong.

Those are the key points that make the boat such a pleasant and controllable ride over the Aero, yes the Aero is lighter, yes it's newer and has cup holders and very nice trick features like the rudder pintle attachment system and yes it's been a runaway success which is great to see, but as a committed racer, on a lake with underwater obstacles, over all the others except the Blaze which i also fancy revisting with my new found single hander skills some day, it is the nicest small tactical dinghy I've come across, ask me how quick it tacks...

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Originally posted by iGRF

 I didn't notice any features to rake the rig on the fly with the Aero but I could be wrong.

The mast pot on the Aero is fixed, same as a Laser is so no rake adjustment possible (NB the D-Zero does have adjustable rake...just saying).....
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Originally posted by jeffers


(NB the D-Zero does have adjustable rake...just saying).....


On the fly? I thought it had things that had to be moved from front to back, 'wedgies' not that overpowering is an issue with that fabulous rig.

D Zero Rig on Solution Hull = Heaven.

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The club I am a member (though inactive so far) lists in it's series results :-

D-Zero (x2)
Aero 7
Lightning 368
Streaker
Phantom
Laser/Radial/EPS
and Comet

So enough to be getting on with there. I will cease being inactive and go and blag a sail or two :)


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Graham, with respect, I don't think you had enough of a sail in an Aero. Most people get in one and sail them with the rig looking awful. Its a dead straight mast and needs some kicker pretty much always. At times it needs lots of kicker, far more than you may think. Sail one for a few weeks and you will find they are delightful upwind, even in waves and dead easy to keep in a groove. On a reach they leave lasers behind and yet are more stable and easier to gybe. I accept that for pond crawlers a c/b is less likely to cause damage. 

In about 18 months I have seen numbers for at least 800 new aeros, the vast majority of which are UK based so not surprising that a few are up for sale at any one point as thats many many times more sales than the other boats mentioned. I 'd agree with Cirrus that its a good boat and fleets are gaining traction here and abroad.

D-zero is a very nice sail and bit more of an adjustable rig. Its definitely a good choice at places like Hunts and Grafham.

I'd also look at a Supernova which has been on a roll since Hartleys took it over. I sailed one for three years until two years ago and enjoyed it. Long and light, with a very adjustable rig and power control.  The Nationals had about 40 boats from memory, but this years Nationals are up to 100 boats, so very successful Class Association.

Blaze is well proven and developed by Cirrus. Hartleys early discount means it will have a blip up this year and I guess will be on an upward trajectory for a while. They seem pretty long lasting boats and if the class is expanding should keep their value well.







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