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    Posted: 12 Sep 16 at 5:41pm
Looking around again today (it's raining and blowing it's t!ts off here in sunny Anglesey) an I see a lot of RS Aeros for sale. Given that they've only been available for 12 months that seems like a lot of people have become disillusioned with them in a surprisingly short space of time?\

The short list to date :-

H2
D-Zero
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Blaze
Europe

Back to my old Spice, I don't have access to a grain drier I'm afraid but I could probably arrange a warm/dry air supply through the hull by putting a 4" hatch in the deck close to the bow and blowing in one hatch and out of the other?







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Think you would struggle to get a good one with 'sort-out' potential for much less than £ 1500 ... covers, trolley, combi, rig , goodish sail ... and 515 would have been 20 years old so it may have had a tough life.  But you can get lucky - however ALWAYS inspect very carefully ... all the bits soon add up !
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And an 'oldun' would definitely be more wallet friendly (a big plus if I hope to keep the Spice too). Going to entirely the other end of the scale Blaze 515 sold for £500 on the FB Dinghybits group this week!!! That would have been worth a punt  Ermm

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Been said plenty of times before ... a good Mk1/2 is fully competitive.  Some classes that switch to vinyl-ester/epoxy from polyester end up with 2 sub-species of the craft.   Not as really true with the Blaze.  But I'm not so sure about Ian's comments regading the carbon mast though (but then he is not a really a 'heavy' Wink)

We know several medium and  heavy guys who prefer the alloy mast.  One has recently ordered a new Hartley boat but has also quietly purchased a decent used Alloy mast as he is convinced, for him at least, it is superior ....  Recent years have also seen alloy mast equipped boats winning the Nationals AND good polyester boats beating all the newer epoxy ones at the Championships as well.  Not idle speculation this - the records are there.

Sure a new boat is more likely to be superior as it will arrive fully sorted  but its 'on-the-water' superiority is not always as certain....  against earlier hulls if they are well looked after and kept near/on minimum weight (with effort of course)   You can be very very competitive in an earlier Blaze (even though everyone would, as ever was the case, like a newer one !)         

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I sail a Blaze at the same weight as and would say that the mk3's are better than the mk2's but not by very much, far more important is the carbon mast which makes a big difference at our weight. I recently went back to a mk2 715, but upgraded it with a second hand carbon mast from Mike and its a great boat. I weighed it last winter during a refit and it is pretty much down to weight (73.5kg) and goes just as quick as 807, which itself was a great boat. Of course carbon masts tend to only be available on the second hand market with mk3's so I may not have added that much to your decision process.
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The switch to epoxy happened a few years back and the first one was number '747'.   Hartleys have now taken on the Blaze and to kick things off made an attractive introductory offer - this produced 20 paid up deposits, with more promised and in the pipeline, many coming  from existing owners looking to renew their boats. 

This is incredibly good news if you are currently looking for a decent used epoxy boat. The market for good (epoxy) Blazes has always been very tight (aka premium priced) but with a number of the deposits being coming from owners of epoxy boats you should have some real choice - and a bit of negotiating power comes with that choice !   The new Hartley ones will come on stream before too long and now we are approaching the end of the season some owners will be very keen to sell their current boats in advance of taking delivery.  

Many go by word of mouth but you could try a 'wanted' ad on the class association website - and if you go this route you should be able to reach a good deal..
 






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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Sep 16 at 9:54pm
I think I may not be bendy enough for a Europe so I'm reconsidering the Blaze as a possible but would like to buy an epoxy hull. Cirrus? Do you know what sail number the manufacture changed to epoxy?

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I liked Europes when I had a ride in a couple decades ago. I wouldn't fit in one now, but I'm currently using a Vintage Moth which is one generation newer (much the same beam, less rocker, more modern rig and thus headroom) and enjoying pottering about in it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Aug 16 at 6:23pm
On the subject of lightweight single handers has anybody sailed a Europe? There's one for sale here, I still have a soft spot for my old OK but I don't think I fancy sailing one in a breeze these days (and I'm not sure I could get under the boom anymore). The Europe looks as if it might suit me (low boom lowing but it doesn't look as low as an OK), light at 45 kgs, 7m sail, supposed to be a decent sea boat and it looks reasonably comfortable (for a hiker) to sail. I'm at the top of the weight range at 75kg (which sounds about right) and the PY might give me a chance against them pesky kids in the Radials.....

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Post Options Post Options   Quote transient Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Aug 16 at 4:03pm
Ta for that reply, very interesting.

Talking of two class boats due to weight variations, how are RS doing with the 2000? I know the early Laser ones were lighter than the later Laser ones by a large margin (10kgs that I've witnessed and 20 kgs that I've heard about.) I'm wondering how the new ones compare. 

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