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    Posted: 24 Aug 16 at 12:35pm

Blazes have been in epoxy for over a decade now - there is no reason therefore why a 10 year old boat should still not be on standard weight – every hull is weighted and correctors added to bring up to standard weight. It might be of interest to some to know that for more than half the life of the Blaze class now epoxy has been used.  They have always been fully foamed in terms of construction as well  in both polyester and epoxy and don't generally 'go soft' with time,   Polyester boats, and this includes earlier Blazes can put on weight through moisture take-up. 

But not all will have done so if they are regularly washed out with fresh water and thoroughly dried over a few weeks (try a boiler house - it really does work !!) .  The best polyester boats can still be around standard weight today - and the nationals results in recent years do include polyester examples right to the very top.  Are there a few aging polyester clunkers' around ? - almost certainly just as there are in most classes.  Some could be 'bought back' with a bit of  TLC and can be become a very cost-effective entry boat for those prepared to put in some effort.

Not used for the Blaze at any point but 'vinyl-ester' has some of the characteristics of epoxy and is superior to polyester.  As with epoxy it does not effectively take-up moisture over time and is a good compromise for some classes.  I'm told, though don't know this for certain, that the RS 400 (and possibly 200) have more recently switched from polyester to vinyl-ester for these good reasons amongst others.   Closer to home Icon was originally made in vinyl-ester but the new Rondar version/derivative of that boat will apparently be in epoxy.  The new boat is primarily intended for the N.American market and the use of epoxy, while not strictly technically needed, does position it as more of a premium product there.  



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Originally posted by JimC

Don't make the assumption that all members of a class - even a SMOD - will be the same weight...

I'm sure that's right. However, a couple of years ago we had a discussion with Richard Woof, the original builder of the RS300, at one of our events. He had his build bible with him and of the six or seven owners participating, all of their boats were within 1kg of each other when they came out of the mould.
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Don't make the assumption that all members of a class - even a SMOD - will be the same weight...
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I'll weigh my Spice 'all up' today and publish, possibly a tin rig Phantom too. Not going to risk my £10 Tesco scales under the Wayfarer though  Wink

Did you actually weigh a Buzz BTW (published weight according to Noble's dinghy database is 5kg more than Spice....... different weighing methods maybe?)?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote transient Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Aug 16 at 10:06am
How does the actual weight of a modern Blaze compare with say a 10 yr old one?

 I see RS have changed the published weight figures for the 200. It used to be the figure without fittings, now with. Good job I say.


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Did the scales survive?
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I don't suppose you ever weighed a Spice?

No opportunity - but guess it cannot possibly lighter than a Buzz ... Wink  (And btw no we are not about to actually publish the weights spreadsheet !)   
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That definitely makes it a contender (small 'c' Wink). I don't suppose you ever weighed a Spice?
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The official Blaze min weight is 72kg - This includes centreboard, wing system, all lines and corrector weights (where required) etc but this excludes rudder assembly and rig.  Lose all the 'bits & pieces' and a bare hull ready for fitout was approx 51-53kg.  Could we have made them lighter ?  Sure - but there are always implications.

All up sailing weight ?  Not routinely measured but it can't be much more than 80/82kg... and these are REAL weights btw.  When the boat was built by Cirrus we weighted a range of other classes at one stage to really see what was what  - many with claimed lower weights ... well you have to don't you and so could a few on this forum if they really wanted to know ...  Wink   



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What is the actual all up sailing weight of a Blaze? Great looking boat too BTW, another one I've fancied for a while but I get the impression they are a handful in a reasonable blow for lightweights? Also the quoted hull weight is only 13 kg less than my Spice (though the unarig will save a few kgs over my 3 sail rig as will the carbon stick if I could afford one).
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