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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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I'll weigh my Spice 'all up' today and publish, possibly a tin rig Phantom too. Not going to risk my £10 Tesco scales under the Wayfarer though
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Online Posts: 6662 |
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Don't make the assumption that all members of a class - even a SMOD - will be the same weight...
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Steve411 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Sep 08 Location: Cheddar, Somerset, England Online Status: Offline Posts: 705 |
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I'm sure that's right. However, a couple of years ago we had a discussion with Richard Woof, the original builder of the RS300, at one of our events. He had his build bible with him and of the six or seven owners participating, all of their boats were within 1kg of each other when they came out of the mould.
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Cirrus ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Oct 15 Location: UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 590 |
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Blazes have been in epoxy for over a decade now -
there is no reason therefore why a 10 year old boat should still not be on
standard weight – every hull is weighted and correctors added to bring up to
standard weight. It might be of interest to some to know that for more than
half the life of the Blaze class now epoxy has been used. They have
always been fully foamed in terms of construction as well in both polyester and epoxy and don't
generally 'go soft' with time, Polyester boats, and this includes
earlier Blazes can put on weight through moisture take-up. But not all will have done so if they are regularly
washed out with fresh water and thoroughly dried over a few weeks (try a
boiler house - it really does work !!) . The best polyester boats can
still be around standard weight today - and the nationals results in recent
years do include polyester examples right to the very top. Are there a
few aging polyester clunkers' around ? - almost certainly just as there
are in most classes. Some could be 'bought back' with a bit of TLC
and can be become a very cost-effective entry boat for those prepared to put in some
effort. Edited by Cirrus - 24 Aug 16 at 4:13pm |
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transient ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 21 Aug 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 715 |
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Thanks for that Mr Cirrus. Still leaves a couple of questions though. I know the minimum weight is 72kgs but what is standard weight? and are the modern ones made to the same weight tolerance as thew 10yr old ones or are the built closer to 72kgs now?
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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Unless you travel round and weigh a load of the older generations of Blaze you are unlikely to get an answer. Topper certainly never published hull weights so you are at the mercy of the builder. The pre-Cirrus Blazes were sold by Topper but built by White Formula (IIRC). I had 655 (the second of the X versions with the semi-soft sail) and it was reputed (in the fleet) to be towards the lighter end of the usual hull weights (but had never been weighed to my knowledge). As has been said what is far more important is how the boat has been treated over it's lifetime, especially polyester resins as they do take on water.
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transient ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 21 Aug 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 715 |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Online Posts: 6662 |
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To my mind the main reason boat weights are so opaque is that its surprisingly troublesome to organise weighing a reasonable sample of boats accurately.
Not much point in getting tetchy about it. Edited by JimC - 25 Aug 16 at 2:57pm |
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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I have, today, more accurately weighed my Topper Spice (346, built by White Formula in, I think, 1998) and, all up, it weighs 152kg (+/- 2kg I'd say). That is 134kg for the hull and mast, with rigging, jib and kite onboard and 18kg for the other bits (mainsail, boom/mainsheet tackle daggerboard and rudder assembly). A disappointing 20kg more than I hoped. I guess my 'not entirely watertight' hull will have absorbed a little H2O over the years but I can't believe 20 litres.
I also weighed my mate's L3k and arrived at 116kg (just to rub salt into the wound.....). Might weigh a 'tin rig' Phantom tomorrow if my other mate will risk the embarrassment, and possibly a Topaz Trez. Then I plan to find a L@ser to weigh.......
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