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    Posted: 26 Mar 16 at 3:58pm
Craiggo- how would you compare the OK to the old kneewrecker... Mates of mine are very keen on their OKs, all ex laser sailors too, and they've been telling me for years an OK is / are great boats for UK / Northern European bloke sizing
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I think it's a momentum thing mixed with sailing style. I found the Aero a joy to sail upwind. You need to be pretty aggressive with it I think otherwise it drops out of the groove. I do know plenty of lighter sailors who found it difficult upwind some of whom are pretty athletic ex 29er sailors and yet other lighter guys seem to be fine with it. That said both myself and the latter mentioned light chap are both ex 700 sailors so perhaps the bullying of the 700 upwind has taught us a few tricks.

Interestingly when I compare it to my OK, it's the complete opposite. Upwind the OK sits in an easy to find groove, the problem is that downwind you have to really throw it around.
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Thanks MM for putting the theory to a notion of mine thinking there's a flaw in iGRF's single minded call for lighter weight boats.

I guess it is accepted that lighter is pretty much always faster but is it more usable?

Probably the ratio shifts a bit to account for crew skills and perhaps wind strength as well but surely there is a sweet spot albeit variable for all where the gain in speed by reducing weight is offset by more tricky handling. Light enough to turn a gust into acceleration, heavy enough to not need constant input and carry some way to tack efficiently. Too heavy also doesn't mean foolproof, heavier boats such as Wayfarers can also need careful handling in gusts, their mass sometimes prevents them from accelerating away from a gust and getting knocked over instead. 

As always usable design is about compromise, not so difficult to design a one trick super pony, one pony that does a range of tricks pretty well is a harder task.   
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Originally posted by JimC

Funny how its the boat, not the sailors... Could it possibly be technique didn't cut the mustard?

I'll admit to not having found the Aero especially appealing when I sailed one, but I reckon that was me, not the boat.

No, I think it's a question of momentum versus drag.  We're talking sail-easing in the gusts upwind conditions here.

In such displacement conditions a lightened boat will have substantially similar drag to a heavier one (aero and skin friction will be important), but less momentum proportional to the reduction in displacement to carry it through the gusts.
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It's probably one of those boats that just needs working into a pattern upwind... It's got a shortish LWL after all. Then foot off when there's a bit more breeze... Not the sort of thing your average dinghy chump (myself included) would expect to get right from a test sail or even a couple of sessions... It would just take a little time and patience to find the sweet spots.

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Originally posted by jeffers

Originally posted by Rupert

Maybe change the recruiting method from dropping your trousers, Dan?

I can see the Zero as a beach boat, with a Dacron, lateen sail.

Mind, I've yet to jump in one, so should probably save the jokes until I can speak crap from a position of authority.

We might be able to get you a ride in both if you are coming to the CVDRA at Hunts Rupert (as long as the the rest of the CVDRA won't go all pitchfork on us).


Plan on being there, so sounds good to me, thank you! I'll put corks on the pitchfork tines.
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I certainly didn't find it hard to sail upwind on flat water - certainly no harder than the Byte with its original rig, or the Lightning for that matter. A longer, heavier boat will track better, I'm sure, especially in waves, but I've not tried the Aero in much more than ripples.
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Funny how its the boat, not the sailors... Could it possibly be technique didn't cut the mustard?

I'll admit to not having found the Aero especially appealing when I sailed one, but I reckon that was me, not the boat.
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Originally posted by Old Timer

 
Ouch Sad to hear ... the lad needs some updating. 

I keep saying something similar about urban SUV buyers, but what appeals to the heart has little to do with logic.

That said, come to think of it, I'd also rather go faster with less effort, letting the racks take the strain out of the upwind legs.  The Blaze also gets nicely in the groove upwind, something that I gather can't be said of an Aero, going by reports and my own experience of very light boats.
 


Thank you, that sums up my Aero observations nicely, 'they don't get in the groove'.
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Originally posted by Rupert

Maybe change the recruiting method from dropping your trousers, Dan?

I can see the Zero as a beach boat, with a Dacron, lateen sail.

Mind, I've yet to jump in one, so should probably save the jokes until I can speak crap from a position of authority.

We might be able to get you a ride in both if you are coming to the CVDRA at Hunts Rupert (as long as the the rest of the CVDRA won't go all pitchfork on us).
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