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    Posted: 06 Dec 15 at 8:11am
Originally posted by realnutter

because the fleet will always be there...

Not true. Classes seem to have a definite lifespan, albeit variable, and the list of what's popular now is different from ten years ago.
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Perhaps you may wonder if the lifespan of a class is inversely proportional to it's specialised nature. 

edit add. Also perhaps classes that permit gradual evolution last longer than SMOD particularly those at the extreme end. Hence the original post, give the 600 some free rein.


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Originally posted by Do Different

Also perhaps classes that permit gradual evolution last longer than SMOD

Never seen any particular evidence of it. Some of the oldest surviving classes are one design.
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Originally posted by realnutter

because the fleet will always be there...

Not true. Classes seem to have a definite lifespan, albeit variable, and the list of what's popular now is different from ten years ago.

Maybe the quality of the racing is more important that the ultimate performance of the boat, particularly with "me too" classes, such as the Merlin and Solo.  

The old classes that have or are foundering are those that have lost momentum.  Momentum is underrated IMO.  Once you have lost it, it is difficult to regain.

The successful new classes have identified niches and sold well executed products into these niches ... I am thinking RS400, RS200, Musto Skiff.

The old classes and the successful new classes all benefit from decent residual values and the availability of decent second hand entry level boats.
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Perhaps there are 'backbone' classes. The 505 and the Contender just look right, they always did look right and they always will look right a bit like Bentley R type Continental by Mulliner or E type Jaguar. However you can't drive or sail the same thing for ever as we have to bend to fashion or technological progress. In the case of cars they just become fantastically expensive but with those boats which are just 'so right' they go on forever luckily for us!
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I'm not sure the 505 and Contender classes are backbone classes in the UK anymore. At their respective Nationals in 2015, 33 and 37 entries doesn't put them in the backbone category for me. Yes, they're still around after all these years but so are Norfolk Punts and International Canoes. Don't deny they're great boats but have they got this "momentum"? Not so sure they have in recent years. I don't think either have sent anyone to the Endeavour for some years now, for example.
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Originally posted by Jeepers

I don't think either have sent anyone to the Endeavour for some years now, for example.


Think that says more about the state of the Endeavour trophy than about the classes.

The IC, BTW, has not the slightest interest in ever being a mass market class, but I have a suspicion that more have been built in the last 5 years than any other 5 year period in at least the last 100 years.
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Originally posted by Jeepers

I'm not sure the 505 and Contender classes are backbone classes in the UK anymore. At their respective Nationals in 2015, 33 and 37 entries doesn't put them in the backbone category for me. Yes, they're still around after all these years but so are Norfolk Punts and International Canoes. Don't deny they're great boats but have they got this "momentum"? Not so sure they have in recent years. I don't think either have sent anyone to the Endeavour for some years now, for example.

Perhaps 'backbone' was the wrong word...try 'sinew running through'.
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Originally posted by iiiiitick

Originally posted by Jeepers

I'm not sure the 505 and Contender classes are backbone classes in the UK anymore. At their respective Nationals in 2015, 33 and 37 entries doesn't put them in the backbone category for me. Yes, they're still around after all these years but so are Norfolk Punts and International Canoes. Don't deny they're great boats but have they got this "momentum"? Not so sure they have in recent years. I don't think either have sent anyone to the Endeavour for some years now, for example.

Perhaps 'backbone' was the wrong word...try 'sinew running through'.

A Backbone class....I would suggest probably the Laser. love it or hate it it is probably still the biggest selling worldwide class and has seen off numerous pretenders to its crown.

Thinks may be a changing with the advent of the Aero/Zero but both boats have a very long way to go before they can even be considered to be part of the world wide sailing fabric.
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"The IC, BTW, has not the slightest interest in ever being a mass market class, but I have a suspicion that more have been built in the last 5 years than any other 5 year period in at least the last 100 years."

Well yes and why not for any other class that people choose to enjoy be it developing a Cherub, building a new National 18 or dragging an RS600 out of the nettles for a 2nd life.
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