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fleaberto ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 302 |
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We have a pretty active Facebook page going for the 600 these days with a lot of enthusiasm amongst owners.
Mostly, though, it's people fairly new to the boat that are still trying to develop the skills and trying to begin staying dry! (I'm a perfect example!). Confidence is one of the issues - ie: It's still a fairly daunting task to think about taking my boat out on the race course with others around me whilst I'm still getting used to/learning the boat. However, we have been toying with the idea of informal training/social events and, as I bought my boat specifically to take part in next years Birkett, we have that event targeted as a potential fleet race. I have some 15 signed up to that group(including 2 from Ireland) and, hopefully, we can get at least 10 to turn up. The key is pretty much starting all over again with this newbie enthusiasm. I love my boat, absolutely love it. My first proper time out on big water saw around 35 capsizes in 3 and a half straight hours. The short time I spent actually on the boat and blasting up, down and across Bala bought the biggest smiles to my face. Second time out? - just 5 capsizes in two hours and a massive massive sense of achievement. It's a beast alright, a pretty uncompromising one at that, an incredible challenge to me. However, I'm not going to let it beat me. I'm not sure the class will see a massive 'resurrection' as such, but I'm hoping that this kind of 'beginners bond' will see a few weekends at various venues/clubs next year. |
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rushy ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Sep 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 44 |
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Hi Andy, a person not afraid of experimentation, could it work? The concept of "modified" 600s?
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EX BLAZE
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I luv Wight ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Jan 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 628 |
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The 600 rig is a moth rig from the previous era. The sail profile was contemporary ( a scaled-up Caws moth sail ) but the mast was from the previous era before stumps - bend low down at the gooseneck instead of bend in the middle or above the hounds. The luff round on the sail is excessive compared to mast bend = a bit too much fullness, but it makes it easy for the spar maker/sailmaker to have a bit of variation - the sail never goes creasy and too flat and wrinkly.
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Turkey Pie ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 18 Nov 15 Online Status: Offline Posts: 35 |
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I always hope that the 600 fleet will somehow gain momentum and start having a strong circuit again. Not sure that any modifications would help as I think its a pretty vice free boat anyway. It is great to hear that club races are still well attended by 600s. Most of them will be about 20 years old now with the pre 650 numbers even older. In fleet racing I never missed the kite and maintain that it is just as enjoyable without one in a big fleet, while handicap racing its definitely not as much fun though. Back in the day, Clive Everest who designed it experimented with a bigger rig with taller mast but the mast, or masts failed and the idea was given up on. Now the foiler is a completely different animal. Most enjoyable learning curve I've had but can be very frightening. Its the only boat I felt it necessary to wear helmet after too many near misses with the wand mechanism following to much foil lift at speed on starboard. I'm not convinced that any small trapezing foiler is viable. I suspect its much better to be locked in by toe straps. I also was never personally able to get it going upwind effectively. It always seemed down at the stern or lost foil grip if trimmed evenly. The view as to why the fleet failed was the introduction of 11K carbon boats, out performing the old ones and leading to money influenced results. Not sure myself. I just think it was a bit too much boat for most! So, if these issues are resolved I'd probably get back on one. |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Fair enough.
Not really sure what you're going to gain to be quite honest. A faster rig on a 600 would tend to make it more difficult to sail rather than easier, because the standard rig is backed off a bit. Maybe a more modern rig could have a bit more and nicer gust response, with a square top, but rig development does get rather pricey because you need so many new sails and masts. Basically though I'm sure what you'd end up with would be rather like a modern Moth rig, in the same way that the 600 rig is something of a detuned version of a Moth rig from its era. |
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rushy ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Sep 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 44 |
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I'm suggesting a move away from one design boats that does tend to stiffle experimentation, a development boat for the masses if you like.
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EX BLAZE
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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> no Kite
Hmm, in last year's PY list the the Contender had 1977 races, the RS700 1218, the RS600 1020, and the Musto Skiff 1008. Its not immediately obvious that the lack of a kite is a problem for popularity in a trapeze singlehander. You could argue that popularity is roughly inversely proportional to difficulty though. |
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iiiiitick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 19 May 15 Online Status: Offline Posts: 240 |
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Hummm...from what I have seen they are dangerous bits of kit. 2x hulls make a cat?
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Turkey Pie ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 18 Nov 15 Online Status: Offline Posts: 35 |
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Scrap heap challenge! It's already been done. Have you not seen a Blaze.
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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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Absolutely, why not?
I'm all for a bit of scrap heap challenge and back of envelope engineering. ![]() |
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