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    Posted: 07 Aug 15 at 6:16pm
Originally posted by mozzy

I think things go in cycles though, and often after a bumper year you see a drop off. Maybe clashing with 29er nationals cost us a few younger sailors though. 

What is for sure is the 200 nationals in Abersoch looked immense, and I seriously feel like I've missed out. Not sure where they will be next year, but I know I'll be there.
Well Matt Venables actually did the 200s rather than the 29ers so it wasn't one way traffic,

We were at Abersoch the week before for Dinghy Week (22 200s), but were in the majority that elected not to stay on.  I sail with my wife and her view is that the Nationals are too serious.  So we paid slightly less money to go hunting round the bay looking for buoys that all look the same rather than a clearly defined championship course.  Not sure we made the right decision.

Even though we are based in the Manchester area, it takes us almost three hours to get to Abersoch, so I can relate to why some people thought it was just too far.

As you say, the sailing this week looked awesome.  It was pretty good the previous week as well.   Certainly had pangs of jealousy this week and would much rather have been there rather than in work.
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Originally posted by Null

Tick, without trying to run the thread off the rails.  Can i give you my feedback as an outsider of the Byte class.  I feel your pain in trying to understand what it is you need to be doing to promote class growth.  Whilst i am by no means an expert there are several things we in the Zero class are tying (with pockets of success) to achieve.

First of all, you are right.  The Byte doesn't seem to have a real identity here in the Uk.  I owned a Byte back in the early days and loved it.  Much better than a Topper and a Laser of its day.  It was however hampered from my perspective.  It used o sail off a PY similar to a Solo.  So as a sailor not interested in the, what was then emerging squad scene.  I often was deflated being thrashed by old boys in Solos.  Sure they sailed better than me, but the speed difference was striking.  We even loaned the boat to one of our Solo hotshots who laughed at the speed difference.  I sold the boat and moved into a Laser, massively overpowered, however it taught me so much more.  Nowadays i just don't know where the byte fits.  Its a lovely looking boat.  But i have no idea about the fleet demographic.  What weight range it offers or even what type of competition it offers.  If you look at other single handed classes, which i guess you would call 'successful' they all have some form of identity.  

Secondly other than your input on this forum, i hear nothing from the builder, the class or its sailors.  This is something that needs to be addressed.  It doesn't need to even cost any money.  The class needs to put itself into the spot light.  Why do no Bytes turn up to any of the winter handicaps?  Perhaps rally the troops now for a push.  Also Y&Y, facebook, twitter.  Start chucking out some interesting and fun content.  Get people seeing the byte.  Perhaps the class could run a competition for the best video footage.  Demo days??? Do they exist?  get people in the boat.  If i really is as good as you say it is the only way to sell something is to get people to try and buy in to it.

I must stress, the only real way to gain traction in this market place nowadays is hard work!  Thats from all parties involved.  You need a class association with volunteers who are willing to go the extra mile and i don't just mean fulfilling their role.  Going above and beyond.  The builder or dealer needs to support and push!  

Finally you need to think out side of the box.  Perhaps change the style of racing you offer.  I am working on various things with the Zero's to help develop our offering in to something people want to participate in,  be a part of.  Something that makes people want to travel.

Again, these are just my thoughts.  I know how difficult it is.  Especially when the class is small.  But hard graft, a bit of luck and out of the box thinking now.  Will hopefully pay dividends going forward.

I agree with all this Null. The builder, Hartley have enthusiasim but are in it for the big picture. RYA acceptance which will produce bulk sales. They have been very good with discounts and boat development but tend to go forward on their own. They have also had family problems recently. The class association is rather archaic but a small class has limited options for association officials. I do my best with promotion and the facebook page will soon be updated with new photographs and information. Hartley do have demonstration boats available...but we do not know where they are. Should any one want a go just contact me! Lastly I have an instagram page. byte_sailng_uk which seems quite popular. I am determined to make this work! Even if I bore you all to tears!

One tip tick, I tried to search byte sailing in face book and there are several pages.  However you need a Facebook group.  A group is superior to a page in that it allows me meters to contribute properly and notifies people of new content.  A page has to be searched.
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I know this Null......the present page is crap..only I contribute! A new page is under construction but not by me unfortunately. We need to link between website, facebook and instagram. I do not understand twitter though I have an account. According to Mark (Jardine) over 700 people read my Nationals report. " Small people of the World unite, get out and sail a Byte".
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"I sail with my wife and her view is that the Nationals are too serious. So we paid slightly less money to go hunting round the bay looking for buoys that all look the same rather than a clearly defined championship course. Not sure we made the right decision."

I think a lot of people are making the same decision. Just off to the 4 nationals in Tenby tomorrow. Looking forward to it massively, but I think relentless windward leewards might put a lot of people off. Maybe the time has come to make these events more like Fed/Camel/Poole Weeks. Bit of crazy rnd the cans mixed with a bit of W/L, a mix of 1/2 race days, and defo a lay day to go out with the family! The Elites won't like it, but a truer test of all round sailing ability.
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I guess that it is up to the classes to have a set up that suits their membership, I have done a few Solo Championships in recent years,and the two off one hour race format per day works pretty well for me ... Salcombe, Bass, Chi and Poole Weeks all offer something for the non-championship sailor.

To be fair, I have grown to look forward to championship sailing, there is a definite science to it, which is different to sailing in a tidal estuary with variable wind and tidal conditions.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote patj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Aug 15 at 6:29am
The SigneT class has integrated it's nationals into Brightlingsea's Pyefleet week, a format others should consider.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iiiiitick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Aug 15 at 11:20am
When we had Nationals as part of Sailfest at WPNSA it was a great success, less so the following year at Calshot. Unfortunately Sailfest is struggling now....but that is another matter.
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Originally posted by Oinks

"I sail with my wife and her view is that the Nationals are too serious. So we paid slightly less money to go hunting round the bay looking for buoys that all look the same rather than a clearly defined championship course. Not sure we made the right decision."

A national championships should be a "serious" event ... it is a nationals the clue is in the name.

No reason why it should not be fun but don't dumb it down.

If you want a fun sailing week there is no shortage of great family sailing weeks around the UK but lets not start messing about with championships.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote jaydub Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Aug 15 at 10:24pm
Originally posted by Old Timer

Originally posted by Oinks

"I sail with my wife and her view is that the Nationals are too serious. So we paid slightly less money to go hunting round the bay looking for buoys that all look the same rather than a clearly defined championship course. Not sure we made the right decision."

A national championships should be a "serious" event ... it is a nationals the clue is in the name.

No reason why it should not be fun but don't dumb it down.

If you want a fun sailing week there is no shortage of great family sailing weeks around the UK but lets not start messing about with championships.
The original quote was mine, not Oinks.

We made our decision to do Abersoch Dinghy Week because it was more relaxed and we had plenty of time to recover from the night before.

I do however have to accept from a sailing perspective, the nationals the folowing week would have been better.

I'm not for one minute suggesting that the Nationals should change.   It might not have been a great Nationals numbers wise this year, but it looks like the sailing was absolutely awesome.  At the end of the day, most classes would love to have had 76 boats on the water for their champs, so the 200s are definitely doing something right.
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Originally posted by iiiiitick

When we had Nationals as part of Sailfest at WPNSA it was a great success, less so the following year at Calshot. Unfortunately Sailfest is struggling now....but that is another matter.

it seems to rely on a reasonably strong fleet utilising it for its nationals imho..... the event would have been absolute pony without the D-Zeros filling in for the exodus from the Byte brigade.
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