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NeilB-Phantom 
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 Topic: What sit-in no kneeling dinghyPosted: 21 Jul 15 at 2:38am |
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In a regular Phantom you will definitely end up kneeling downwind in the light stuff, even medium airs on a dead run
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PATRICKCR
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Posted: 20 Jul 15 at 8:53pm |
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Hi guys, thanks for the responses.
The boom height I can compromise on a bit on , do different is correct I am really looking for a decent bum to floor measurement first followed by a boom to floor that doesn't make me kiss the floor every tack. The lake is fairly small so as much as the weta does appeal I don't think it's going to fit the bill.:( Do you think it's viable to sail a miracle singlehanded ? Would it be main only ? I ve googled it but can't find much. could i improve things with self tacking jib maybe? Would launching or recovery be a big issue ? I quite like the look of them :) Solo ..again from a position of never sailing one .....is the centre casing a big deal ? Is the cockpit a proper sit in ? Can I get three seated sofa either side :) The phantom cockpit seems quite deep , do JJ phantoms have a deeper cockpit than regular phantoms ? Certainly interesting boat I hadn't even considered. Patrick |
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Do Different
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Posted: 20 Jul 15 at 6:14pm |
 Very true JimC good one.However our OP was talking about sitting vs kneeling. Most dinghies will require a duck to pass the boom, some more duckling than daddy drake tis true. There are two different relative distances involved, floor to boom and floor to bum. A tight floor to boom may require some momentary folding, whereas with a tight floor to bum perch the pain is permanent. |
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Jack Sparrow
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Posted: 20 Jul 15 at 5:33pm |
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edit: pic added  Edited by Jack Sparrow - 20 Jul 15 at 5:36pm |
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JimC
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Posted: 20 Jul 15 at 4:35pm |
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Its a strange thing, but the boats with deeper cockpits also seem to be the ones with excessively low booms.
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Do Different
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Posted: 20 Jul 15 at 3:39pm |
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I guess the older designs have deeper more comfortable cockpits. JJ Phantoms look nice, what is an OK like?
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sawman
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Posted: 20 Jul 15 at 3:29pm |
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miracle is not a bad option plus gives you the option of taking a pal with you
for single handers, solo would be a logical choice, or maybe a deep cockpit (JJ boats) phantom? I would avoid the vareo if you are averse to kneeling |
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PATRICKCR
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Posted: 20 Jul 15 at 1:28pm |
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Hi All , I wondered if I could get some advice please from the good people on here. I passed my RYA 1 & 2 last year and have spent the year sporadically sailing on hire dinghy’s when work permitted, on inland ex gravel pits / lakes mainly on Topaz’s, which are fun if the wind blows and I can sit out and hike but awful when its marginal weather….because I have to keep my 15 Stone well inboard and I’m typically having to kneel down quite forward and central in the boat to maintain any stability.
What I have come to realise is that , I like two very different forms of sailing ! o I like to go fast in strong wind and can see that possible boats like Vareo, Supernova and Solo would fit the bill for that ( Also want a fairly high boom ) and as I’ll be sat out all the time and shouldn’t have to do any kneeling. o …but for light wind pottering days …I want a ‘sit in’ boat - not something I have to kneel in at all. My ideal boat (and probably a lot of other peoples) would have a deep hull so I don’t have to sit with my knees halfway up my chest , high boom, no kneeling in light winds , easy enough to manhandle on my own on the shore (pretty strong) and being a Billy no mates I have no requirement to carry additional crew J Is it possible to combine the two types of sailing in one boat or should I resign myself to the fact there is no single boat that will fulfil my requirements and look for two different boats.? (Secondhand) Either way has anybody got any ideas on boats ? …I have bizarrely been looking at miracles, even Hadrons wondering if that’s an light wind option ..fact is I don’t have enough experience to know. So what say you good people ? Ps I don’t have any aversion to varnishing and woodworking either! All suggestions appreciated.
Patrick
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