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    Posted: 30 Jun 15 at 8:01pm
I agree with all of that Davidyacht. What do RYA do? 'Push the boat out' who is that title meant to appeal to? Pictures of kiddies in RYA tabards? Training for children who may (I know some do Rupert) never continue. What we need is awareness that it exists as an accessible sport.
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I realise that I must seem anti-children but the sport does not start in the cradle and end in the grave. Most people start somewhere in between.

I do like children.....some of my favorite meals contain them.
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Do clubs tend to struggle for volunteers to sit on committees? 
Let alone volunteers with the right skill sets to do certain roles?

Maybe there is a call for regional resources that can be offered to clubs to assist with social media/websites/accounts etc etc (maybe there is)

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I think clubs have always struggled for people (and the right people) to sit on committees, at least at times. You may well get a new, enthusiastic influx every now and again, but when those people have served their terms, and maybe the people they brought with them, you then end up scratching around until the next batch. I think our club is currently entering a "down" phase, with several jobs coming up in the autumn.
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Originally posted by Rupert

I think clubs have always struggled for people (and the right people) to sit on committees, at least at times. You may well get a new, enthusiastic influx every now and again, but when those people have served their terms, and maybe the people they brought with them, you then end up scratching around until the next batch. I think our club is currently entering a "down" phase, with several jobs coming up in the autumn.



It seems that recruitment is a permanent job.


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Some thoughts about committees ...

Over time you can exhaust all the people who are available to contribute, if you have 10 people serving in some capacity on a 3 year cycle, you will use up about 30 people over 10 years.

The Thatcher me society has resulted in a generation that are willing to enjoy the efforts of others, but not contribute.

The best committees from a Commodores perspective are where the committee are prepared to challenge his/her wisdom.

Because of the turnover of committees, there is a danger that after five or six years that it does not learn from mistakes.

Actually having professionals on the committee might not give you access to the best professionals ... Successful small businessmen (sorry Woodburner) might be better.

I have said in the past that there is room for a forum for those who participate in Yacht/Sailing club management, so that we can learn from shared experiences.  Today's question is how do you set a permanent racing mark at sea, that can be laid without the use of a hiab, will survive storms and will not be removed by crab fishermen?
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What grinds you down and with the best will and enthusiasm in the world, it's the bloody moaners that dump on you, everything that's wrong in their world suddenly becomes your problem, from the bloody lack of toilet rolls (change it then you stupid biatch) to whatever new thing you institute they don't like never mind the fact the majority do like it.
The problem comes from being a previous business owner manager of a reasonable number of staff, which you can tell to foxtrot oscar if necessary or, at the very least, reason with them, but have an ultimate caveat of ending the discussion with 'well your paid to do it that way so foxtrot oscar'. So being in a volunteer role at the head of a volunteer committee, you end up having to soil yourself with diplomacy, when you really want to fire them, or beat them to death with a dead haddock.

Very frustrating.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Woodburner Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jul 15 at 11:30am
Originally posted by davidyacht

Some thoughts about committees ...

Over time you can exhaust all the people who are available to contribute, if you have 10 people serving in some capacity on a 3 year cycle, you will use up about 30 people over 10 years.

The Thatcher me society has resulted in a generation that are willing to enjoy the efforts of others, but not contribute.

The best committees from a Commodores perspective are where the committee are prepared to challenge his/her wisdom.

Because of the turnover of committees, there is a danger that after five or six years that it does not learn from mistakes.

Actually having professionals on the committee might not give you access to the best professionals ... Successful small businessmen (sorry Woodburner) might be better.

I have said in the past that there is room for a forum for those who participate in Yacht/Sailing club management, so that we can learn from shared experiences.  Today's question is how do you set a permanent racing mark at sea, that can be laid without the use of a hiab, will survive storms and will not be removed by crab fishermen?

Agree with most of that and we are in the final stages of the process of applying to Trinity house to lay permanent marks in the Channel. We do consult with the local fishermen who are equally robbed of tackle by DFL (DownFromLunnon) 'sport' fishermen. We have 'acquired' a couple of railway engine wheels that weigh quite literally a ton, but the problem then comes of how you float them out to the GPS point where we need to drop them, so we now have an alternate plan. Which is chain obviously (we use chain for our racing marks) for a permanent mark with a float at the head and the buoy attaches to it. In order to weight it down it has a sizeable anchor, but you can sink it additionally by using breeze blocks with the hole in and sending them down the chain which will assure the chain lays along the bottom counter to any given over riding current/drift and you know to use I think it's twice the depth in chain length.

That's our plan, however the lad that works here Alex has just got a job working on the ship that travels about the near globe servicing weather buoys, so we're hoping to pick up some tips from him, unlikely we'll get consent 'til seasons end it has been a long process particularly since we've now been designated a marine conservation area.


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Have you contacted the RYA over this? I was just reading yesterday that one of the benefits of club affiliation is help with the laying marks at sea. Not physical help, I don't think, mind!
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"Over time you can exhaust all the people who are available to contribute, if you have 10 people serving in some capacity on a 3 year cycle, you will use up about 30 people over 10 years."

Very true, and in small clubs with c.100 members, some of which wont (for many reasons right or wrong) be able to join a committee (factor in member turnover, people moving away etc etc) you run out of people very quickly unless you are a club that has an ever increasing membership

What I was trying to get at in a previous post was that I don't feel an affiliation to my club. Nothing we do is really club related, its more of a facility and maybe this is why there are some clubs that are going more down the route of being professionally managed facilities, bit like golf clubs.

Maybe there is a link to the increase in single handers and a decrease in double handed boats.  






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