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    Posted: 28 Jun 15 at 9:56pm
Originally posted by iiiiitick

Nice sunny day today so I took loads of photos from my rescue boat. Nova's on screaming reaches, Byte sailors shuffling back to keep the nose up, Lasers trailing a boom before cartwheeling into oblivion. Now if that grabs you and you want to try it then you don't give a damn if the Commodore is an executive general manager, Zaphod Beeblebrox or the Mother Superior.





Exactly my point Mr Tick. 

Once you're in the sport you know that it's the sailing that's more important. The problem is getting folk into the sport. Folk outside cannot see past the packaging. 


Golf mmmm not a good example. People know exactly what golf is all about, it's televised regularly and as such not subject( as much) to negative stereotyping.......Folk outside can see past the packaging.



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Changing the words will be little more use than rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. All the corporate rebranding we see, who gives a fig? To the general public mostly it is a source of derision and incredulity that people get paid to come up with such made up words mashed into a meaningless logo.

Pretty much all sports use specific terminology, Cycling, goodness me I have no idea ................ Judo, Cricket, the list goes on and lot have a military heritage so it is hardly surprising that words like captain, marshall etc. crop up.

All this talk of packaging and selling the sport is mostly doomed, yes you can sell the idea of giving it a go. Last come last however sailing is not an activity you can BUY, it is an activity you have to DO and that means getting cold, wet and putting some effort to gain enough competence before you can really start to enjoy it to the full. 

Thankfully there are some people who relish taking on such a challenge, I see them every week, it is just that they are not the norm in our current nanny bias society.    

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National RYA programmes may or may not help but it will always come down to a local level. It is completely in the hands of Clubs to make the culture accessible and that rests with real people talking common sense to prospective new entrants.



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Just a perspective from a different sport, but my rugby club has been suffering with numbers down over the last few years. However, on past form we expect to see a 20% increase in membership following the rugby world cup this year. That's a direct relationship between top level and grass roots. I hear that those numbers involve kids starting up and people that may have played in the past getting back involved.

Are there any studies on how the Olympic medals and other successes have filtered down in sailing? Perhaps this is a reason to still focus on the elite level to help the majority or maybe the RYA and clubs haven't capitalised on any momentum gain at the top.

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Originally posted by ASok

Just a perspective from a different sport, but my rugby club has been suffering with numbers down over the last few years. However, on past form we expect to see a 20% increase in membership following the rugby world cup this year. That's a direct relationship between top level and grass roots. I hear that those numbers involve kids starting up and people that may have played in the past getting back involved.

Are there any studies on how the Olympic medals and other successes have filtered down in sailing? Perhaps this is a reason to still focus on the elite level to help the majority or maybe the RYA and clubs haven't capitalised on any momentum gain at the top.


I noticed during my first few years at Hunts that membership certainly did seem to mirror the Olympic cycle as this was the only real mainstream media coverage that sailing got. When the likes of Ben, Shirley and Iain all did well we saw a surge in membership (or at least active members). This then tailed off until the next Olympics.

Now we have a much more active training arm this has evened out those bumps. We do get people who join specifically for the courses (which are very reasonably priced but only open to members). Many of them stay.

To stand up a bit for the RYA they are involved at grass roots and your RDO can help if you speak to them. The Eastern Region RDO was very helpful when our training arm was dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century a few years ago.
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Originally posted by Do Different

Changing the words will be little more use than rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. 



Your right in a way. But you know that it's more than just changing a few silly words don't you?. It's more about changing attitudes.

The decline in sailing has many complex causes most of which are out of the control of the institution. But, it would be foolish to think that there is nothing that can be done. Some things can be influenced from within.


I'll say this simply ;-) 

Sailing as a sport has a slight image problem. 

(as discussed ad nauseam in previous threads over the years)

The negative stereotype is difficult to overcome, folk cannot "see past the stereotype" because of poor media coverage and consequent poor public awareness.

Sailing has to change the way it projects itself.

As Mr Iiiiitick suggested: When charging around on a 3 sail reach with the crew flat on the wire who gives a sh8t who's called what, I certainly don't. There is nothing wrong with the sporting activity itself......but....the institution that has grown around the activity comes across to the wider public as pompous, pretentious and elitist......and more than a little bit old fashioned.






 




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IMe experience a pompous pretentious twit is a pompous pretentious twit whether he's called chairman, president, commodore or anything else, and there's nothing more unfashionable than last years fashionable language. As for pretention, I tend to associate that with organisations who are desperate to change the froth in order to match what they see as the latest trend.

It seems widely stated that the main problem we have is not getting people to try the sport: indeed arguably there are more of those than ever before, but getting people to stay in it, and that to me as to be a matter of substance, not appearance.
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Originally posted by JimC

and there's nothing more unfashionable than last years fashionable language.



I couldn't have put it better myself. I would swap the word "years" for "centuries" though. Smile

According to many clubs youth take-up is an issue, it's certainly a talking point locally.......and anyway, to get people to stay in it, they have to have joined as newcomers in the first place. A growing sport is one that has folk joining faster than they are leaving.


and you know as well as I do Jim that how something looks has a massive effect on appeal.......I suspect you're only arguing out of tradition  Wink  You clearly like it the way it is, I can certainly live with it but can you accept that it turns a lot of people off? If not then we'll just have to disagree and move on.



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Sailing isn't really a club sport, a club is purely a means to gain access to facilities (water/changing facilities and storage)
There is no sense to representing a club as in a particular 'team' in Open Meetings. Everything is very individual (singular, or in the terms of boat) in sailing.
Equipment is 99% of the time personally owned unlike in most 'team' sports. Outside the boat that we compete in, our results aren't tallied up with anyone else, we don't really train together, we enter under are own names rather than <Sailing Club>A & <Sailing Club>B, we don't wear club colours

In that respect is the role of a club clearly defined?




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Can anyone name the person responsible for promoting Dinghy Racing in this country?
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Originally posted by davidyacht

Can anyone name the person responsible for promoting Dinghy Racing in this country?

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