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gordon1277 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 10 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 665 |
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2 on ebay, with photos, one looks like a problem with a hole in it but only£150 at the moment. The other looks really nice but £999. |
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gordon1277 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 10 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 665 |
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Hi Sawman
I would drop them and email, I found it really difficult to get an image on the site when I sold my old boat, modern phones and cameras have to many mb for the site to cope with listings. Get one of your local guys to let you have a go to see if you like the phantom. Good Luck Gordon |
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sawman ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 04 May 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 205 |
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you might be on to something here - the local phantoms seems to be racing off a py of 995but they are all pretty new machines.... pity theres no pics of those two in the association page |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Thank you.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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According to my records 1013 on first appearance and for many years, then out to 1020 in 2010 and 1024 a couple of years later.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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I can't remember the figures exactly, but it was 1012 or 1013, and may have been less than that at one point. Pretty close to the 300.
Surely the point of the eps has nothing to do with handicap, though? As you say, it is going to be more fun than a Laser for those looking for a bit of a turbo charge. The result on the spreadsheet is never going to be giving you more than a guide to how well you were sailing that day compared to normal, so why worry about it? |
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Woodburner ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Mar 15 Location: Folkestone Kent Online Status: Offline Posts: 332 |
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Well it hasn't changed in all the time I've owned it, 1024 when I got it and it remains there this what 3 years later during which time the laser has gone from 1078 - 1091 and the Phantom from what 1047 - 1008, for it to be a Bandit it would need to be 1050 or more imv if the main boat opposing it remains a stock Laser which is what is most common and what other boats are there around that give a bit of extra buzz for 800 quid was my logic, who in their right mind really wants a boring bloody Laser Std.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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I'd say the EPS has a pretty reasonable handicap. It has dropped loads over the last few years - it used to be rated considerably faster than a Phantom, which was very unfair. I think, provided the returns get sent in, that the handicap will drop more over the next few years for the same reasons discussed for the Laser2, at which point it will be a total bandit.
However, in the context of this thread, I'd say it is the wrong boat for Sawman. |
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Woodburner ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Mar 15 Location: Folkestone Kent Online Status: Offline Posts: 332 |
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Well I took none of their advice, because they're stick in the mud dinghy sailors, they all told me the EPS was a waste of time, but it was quite the contrary. It does have a big sail, but there is a smaller version and sailmakers still producing it. The beauty of it, although the handicap for it is unfavourable because of the moronic attitude the bozos on the PYAG committee have to what they decide is a live or dead class, it has remained static. This does however give you the potential if you sail it in a slower handicap fleet, to make mistakes yet still get back in the mix and learn what's going on at the front of the fleet which is invaluable.
Never listen to bullsh*t about class racing, all that does is provide better sailors (and most of the posters here are good sailors) with mid and back end fleet cannon fodder, you'll never catch them if you're still in a learning curve, so having a slightly faster boat can keep you in the mix much to their annoyance and given you are not going to win anything anyway, it also gives you an ego saving excuse of a crap handicap. Then, when the moment eventually dawns and you do find yourself out front or up there,you're prepared without those nerves you inevitably get if you do find yourself unexpectedly ahead.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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The eps is great for small people - I'd say 90kg is pushing it. It is a very low volume hull. Trouble is, the sail is quite powerful, so they tend to be a handful in a blow for those suited to the hull. Lots of swims after about force 4, from what I've seen, till you really get to grips with it. Then you have a very fun boat.
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