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    Posted: 30 Mar 15 at 4:25pm
Originally posted by jeffers

Seems like a slightly better job could have been done IMO to remove any ambiguity.

Thing is if that was the intention why were they not simply put in standard SIs in the same way that contact allowed mark roundings and the like are in the standard SIs for the other RS classes.
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Originally posted by SimonW99

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Not sure I get that one. If they are lighter and change down earlier than I have to I would expect the advantage up to the point when I have to blade or pull the board up as I am still efficient.

Peaky, I can't say whether a 5 would get much more out of a 9 than they would a 7 in a drifter as they would be sailing with the worst possible handicap. They would be better off sticking to the 7 and its handicap IMHO. 

I personally think one sail is enough for most. If you want to get two, its probably the most difficult call at 75 KG. If on the sea you might go 5 -7 whereas inland you might go for 7-9. However it is all a bit academic as if I was say 80kg, I would get a 7 only and it would do me fine. Interestingly, out of 24 boats here, I think only 4 people have additional rigs. 

I personally wouldn't have include the PY's or the 'reef' down suggestions in the rules, but I assume its trying to be helpful as EN exists and the option we use seems to work fine. 


What JimC was saying that when you are underpowered, the lightweights can change up to a 9 and be fully powered up. Certainly in a Phantom I would say that I'm not fully powered up in at least 50% of club races, probably more. That is why rig swapping always reduces the optimum weight range.

Given the dearth of boats for heavier gentlemen it undermines the value of the 9 imho.

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Then I think the class rules probably need to include a rules that says SIs may amend these specific class rules. As the RRS currently stand SIs are not allowed to amend class rules without specific permission from the class.

Seems like a slightly better job could have been done IMO to remove any ambiguity.
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jeffers, I don't think its moving anywhere. Any open meeting will be three classes. Any series not run by the CA will do whatever the series says and I would expect that to reflect three classes, so if you sail two rigs you get two entries.
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The difference is that the SailJuice series when these people swapped classes they were given separate results. I do hope for the next series they will be doing the same (I am sure they will).

Also Null don't forget the D-Zero Blue so you could so the same if you wished....

As for comparing to skiffs and windsurfers that is different IMO as the class has developed that way. The Aero was launched as 3 classes and now seems to be moving towards 1 class with 3 rigs.

As I have already said for handicap type open events it is unlikely you will get away with class swapping and having 1 set of results and at a big open event the SIs will likely preclude you from swapping equipment without dispensation from the OA or RC. Anyone doing doing so with the defence that the class rules allow it may find themself subject to a protest of some form.

Just my opinion. At club level is it no real difference to how Lasers have being doing it for years.
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Originally posted by Null

At GGP this year, there was a big guy (guessing 90kg ish) using a 5 rig, he had used the 9 at virtually every other winter event.  Think he is one of the Chelmarsh boys.  I had a good chat with him at the BM he seemed like a really nice guy...Anyway I digress, he was really, really quick at the GGP.  But even then i think he would of been much quicker in the 7  That was in conditions getting on towards survival in the last race.  I took my Zero out this Sunday in frankly balmy conditions and I now think even if we had multiple rig choices I wouldn't swap down.  I just don't think it would get 'That' windy!

Well if I had an 8.1m sail for the aero I wouldn't bother with two rigs  LOL
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JimC 
Not sure I get that one. If they are lighter and change down earlier than I have to I would expect the advantage up to the point when I have to blade or pull the board up as I am still efficient.

Peaky, I can't say whether a 5 would get much more out of a 9 than they would a 7 in a drifter as they would be sailing with the worst possible handicap. They would be better off sticking to the 7 and its handicap IMHO. 

I personally think one sail is enough for most. If you want to get two, its probably the most difficult call at 75 KG. If on the sea you might go 5 -7 whereas inland you might go for 7-9. However it is all a bit academic as if I was say 80kg, I would get a 7 only and it would do me fine. Interestingly, out of 24 boats here, I think only 4 people have additional rigs. 

I personally wouldn't have include the PY's or the 'reef' down suggestions in the rules, but I assume its trying to be helpful as EN exists and the option we use seems to work fine. 
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At GGP this year, there was a big guy (guessing 90kg ish) using a 5 rig, he had used the 9 at virtually every other winter event.  Think he is one of the Chelmarsh boys.  I had a good chat with him at the BM he seemed like a really nice guy...Anyway I digress, he was really, really quick at the GGP.  But even then i think he would of been much quicker in the 7  That was in conditions getting on towards survival in the last race.  I took my Zero out this Sunday in frankly balmy conditions and I now think even if we had multiple rig choices I wouldn't swap down.  I just don't think it would get 'That' windy!
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The clubs will determine whether the RYA List has 1, 3 or as it currently stands, no published EN as there wasn't sufficient data (AIUI).  

In the interim, the class can publish whatever it sees fit- and in the longer term, it can apply it's own local policy when using the PY system for its traveller class event.  How it manages any fallout, or how it manages its PR against competitors from more traditional class backgrounds, especially if the numbers are grossly different are their own problems- there's a reason why manufacturers and class associations are getting wary of issuing their own numbers, or even commenting on them when they get released.  

I would imagine that give it a few months and the PYAG will publish data-generated ENs- probably for all three sail designs.  I would expect most clubs to use the RYA figure as the baseline, not something in a class document designed for class opens when attendance is a little shaky.


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It seems highly likely to me that a 7 sailor would benefit from 5 and 9 rigs. Even a 5 sailor would be faster with a 9 in a drifter.

Simon, the class rules seem very clearly to say it is one class with three rigs. And therefore should have one RYA PY number. The handicaps referred to in the class rules can only be for CA events because a. The CA obviously has no right to state a PY for events outside its organisation and b. Such rig swapping appears to break the RRS, which is fine if you've all signed up for it (in a CA event) but isn't fine when others haven't. Aeros can swap the port/stbd rule for all I care at their own events, but you can't do that in a club race!
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