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    Posted: 19 Feb 15 at 3:45pm
Well, I have an aero , but have always liked good laminate sails, however laminates are in my experience still just as prone to wear and more prone to catastrophic failure ( delimitation ) modern laminates are pretty good, but let a laminate jib flog and you can ruin it far quicker than a dacron. Back in the day of ISO sailing you just had to look at the 'genesis' sail and it was on its way to see its maker!

 A nice battened well cut laminate can be brilliant, but a well cut dacron can be the same.  
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I dunno, the Laser sailors I race against use a sail for several years, just as I do in the Lightning. "Top end" Laser sailors, sailing the boat 6 days a week, will of course get through sails, but that is true of any class.

Not sure what it has to do with the Aero, as other Dacron sails (my Firefly ones, for instance) will last for years without showing too much wear, on the mainsail, anyway.
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[QUOTE=rich96]The lightweight laser sails needed to be changed for major events (regardless of what is/was claimed). They were hopeless in that regard.

unless you're talking about the sails from the '70s and early '80s, Laser sails don't "need" to be changed unless you are in the top few percent of the fleet, and by definition few are.
Some of us have cubes that indicate that we may not be fools when it comes to Lasers, and I'm not sure we're liars when we say most people don't need to change sails as often as some say.....



Exactly my point - the upper end of the fleet changed sails very regularly - you don't do that in many classes.

In most classes you don't find club racers also changing their sails as often as you do in the Laser fleet (those that sail most weeks).

There will no doubt be some examples that disprove this but essentially its fairly accurate to say that Laser sails are changed more than many other class sails.

No sure what "liars" have got to do with it (?) but my point is simple really - Laser sails don't last very well if used regularly. Its not really news to anyone.



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[QUOTE=rich96]The lightweight laser sails needed to be changed for major events (regardless of what is/was claimed). They were hopeless in that regard.


unless you're talking about the sails from the '70s and early '80s, Laser sails don't "need" to be changed unless you are in the top few percent of the fleet, and by definition few are.

Some of us have cubes that indicate that we may not be fools when it comes to Lasers, and I'm not sure we're liars when we say most people don't need to change sails as often as some say.....


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Originally posted by blaze720

In its day the Laser was seen and often presented as coming from the 'fun boat' end of things - in fact originally it was known as the 'Weekender' I think.  Nothing at all wrong with that in my book and the rest really is history.

The point is it transformed singlehanded sailing then .... and is still a massive influence today.  Of course 'better' ... 'faster' ... 'more technical' etc etc is possible today.  But it was then as well and has been every year and decade ever since the boat came out.

There are niche exceptions of course but as with boards it is all too easy to produce 'better' ' or 'more technical' equipment that perhaps unintentionally leads to a reduction  in general access for newbies to the sport ... and these people in time become the regular racers of tomorrow.    The Laser clearly and very intentionally went the opposite way. 

'High Tech' does not necessarily lead to 'high participation' - often the opposite.  From my perspective the Aero follows the original Laser positoning or orientation quite cleverly.   

Mike L.

Good post, but having had the chance to talk to or write to the guys who created it, one can also add that the beachboat theme has been over-emphasised in some ways. The original concept was that of a beachboat (or actually cottage boat) but when the hoped-for support from Coleman failed to happen, the boat was morphed from being a Sunfish replacement into being the hot-shot's second boat. It's a significant difference; it explains why the boat remained simple,and that it was developed by three very good sailors for other good sailors.
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http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/181384/RS-Aero-Winter-Series-Round-5

So much is in the eye of the beholder.
 
All technicals aside, a posse of the white sails looking nicely pretty to me. 

How can you not like a fleet of any colour?
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Quite possibly ... I haven't seen the newer one in much detail to comment on their longevity, I'm sure some of the 300 guys follow this thread- they're better placed to comment on the newer sail, it's what - 5 years old now?
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Originally posted by turnturtle


As for mylar, I'd personally expect 2-3 seasons for average club use if it's been well maintained, but some show significant longer lives with light usage- my original RS300 sail was in excellent condition despite being about 8 years old.
thats jst it, the older mylar sails lasted longer. the new ones seem much lower quality
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In its day the Laser was seen and often presented as coming from the 'fun boat' end of things - in fact originally it was known as the 'Weekender' I think.  Nothing at all wrong with that in my book and the rest really is history.

The point is it transformed singlehanded sailing then .... and is still a massive influence today.  Of course 'better' ... 'faster' ... 'more technical' etc etc is possible today.  But it was then as well and has been every year and decade ever since the boat came out.

There are niche exceptions of course but as with boards it is all too easy to produce 'better' ' or 'more technical' equipment that perhaps unintentionally leads to a reduction  in general access for newbies to the sport ... and these people in time become the regular racers of tomorrow.    The Laser clearly and very intentionally went the opposite way. 

'High Tech' does not necessarily lead to 'high participation' - often the opposite.  From my perspective the Aero follows the original Laser positoning or orientation quite cleverly.   

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