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    Posted: 12 Feb 15 at 9:33am
Originally posted by Peter Barton


The boom is only high when the kicker is eased, in a drifter or on broad angles downwind. When the kicker is pulled on tight in any breeze it is only just high enough for a full sized adult to pass under comfortably. I wouldn't want it any lower


Don't get me wrong, I like the boat, everything about it.
But it just looks wrong. It doesn't manly enough with the boom floating around up wind a bit like a pico. For me, in my opinion, it would be designed so you grind it to the deck much like Finns and lasers.
But hey, I am one person and clearly have a different opinion on what makes a great boat (IMHO the finn is the best SH I have ever raced and it happens to be the polar opposite in design to the aero)
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Originally posted by gordon1277

I dont see why people have an issue with righting lines on any boat.


Doesn't say much about ones sailing ability?

Edited by Jamesd - 12 Feb 15 at 9:26am
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Gordon. I don't think anyone said righting lines were a bad idea  Just that for most people with the aero they are not needed. On some a 300 for example, they were essential. I certainly gave mine a fair use in the first months!!
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Originally posted by sargesail

Well it seems to me that Simon is experiencing what we did in the early days of the 300 and still do to a great degree today.  That is that the 'new' characteristics mean that you can exploit gain factors at the micro level (gusts, lulls etc) to get past other competitors in a way that was not available in our earlier fleets.  Both views expressed are correct - it's just that in the 'heavier' boats the gains available from separation when shifts act on the fleet are proportionately higher, and since the difference in speed is less, other the more likely 'passing' option.

Well let's hope the Aero follows one of the other traits of its predecessor- that being the 300 is remarkably 'accommodating' to a wide range of competitive weights, in a way that the Solo frankly wasn't imho.  

If the Aero were to become so sensitive to the helm weight, then I think that could cause competitive issues once the fleets settle down after a year or two.  It's fairly logical that if the base weigh (hull and rig) makes up proportionally less of the total mass on the water, then helm weight is going to become crucial if  and I repeat, 'if' total mass makes a notable difference to the competitive edge -  that's something that may not be so obvious at this stage of the class's infancy, and something only time and race results will come to validate- not so easy when there's a culture of rig switching to fog-out the early results.
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I dont see why people have an issue with righting lines on any boat. I have them on the Phantom because with a light boat I find the boat rights to about 45 degrees and then you need to grab the gunnel to pull it down flat.
If they make righting the boat quicker and easier whats the problem and I know 2 very experienced and fast sailors at Lee who have them on all there boats and they are former Endeavour trophy winners.
So if you think you are so good you dont need them good for you but why criticise people who think they will help.
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Sounds like the perfect boat for you! Have fun and please report back how you get on
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well well, what a thread! have worked my way through all the eastenders malarky over a couple of nights, it makes for an interesting read. i am soon to get delivery of my aero. having sailed one at oxford a couple of weeks ago for the first time 5 rig, gusting to 30 knots) i can say it is a truly exhillerating ride. why an aero? as rupert knows, i love rs boats. i happen to like the high boom, the good build quality fantastic sales and after sales service and great circuit te rs classes have. at about 52kgs and 5'3" i would not suit a zero! i have sailed a laser a few times and hated it. it felt enormous, i found it hard to reach the controls and they werent very effective ( granted it was a club boat with a naff kicker and outhaul).
i righted the aero twice at oxford, without righting lines( will wait and see how i get on before ordering them) first was silly capsize to windward where i should have just sheeted in and enjoyed the dunking, second conventional gust and too slow to get inboard after a dry capsize this a double roll. this one was harder however i managed without too much of a problem. my daughter is in a tera and hoping to do lots of racing this year, so i also bought this boat as it meant i might get out there too instead of being stuck on the sidelines while she is training/racing. plus needed a single hander as she was my crew in the feva! there are no others at our club and i hope to be keeping up with the lasers at last.
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Originally posted by SimonW99


Originally posted by sargesail

Well it seems to me that Simon is experiencing what we did in the early days of the 300 and still do to a great degree today.  That is that the 'new' characteristics mean that you can exploit gain factors at the micro level (gusts, lulls etc) to get past other competitors in a way that was not available in our earlier fleets.  Both views expressed are correct - it's just that in the 'heavier' boats the gains available from separation when shifts act on the fleet are proportionately higher, and since the difference in speed is less, other the more likely 'passing' option.

At last  Hug


Still sound akin to Emperors New Clothes to me.... If either the Aero or the Zero can deliver half the quality of racing that the Laser does, then it should consider itself successful.
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Masthead floats could prove a bad idea- such a light boat would blow away quite quickly without the ultimate ability to turtle surely?
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Jamesd,
The video stating "for people with shorter arm reach" answered that for you really, didn't it.

As the vid was linked you missed the full descriptive text that accompanies it on youtube, facebook or the Class Forum.
Those with short arm reach or less grip strength may benefit from a dedicated knotted righting line. A very large cross section of sailor's sizes, weights, strengths, ages are out there enjoying their Aeros and the righting line suits some of them, like in many boats. It is an optional extra.
The full text that accompanies the above Righting Line video can be found (at the bottom) here; http://www.rsaerosailing.org/index.asp?p=forum&fid=4&tid=6969

The boom is only high when the kicker is eased, in a drifter or on broad angles downwind. When the kicker is pulled on tight in any breeze it is only just high enough for a full sized adult to pass under comfortably. I wouldn't want it any lower.

If there was any want or need for a mast float then it could certainly be made available as an optional extra. I understand our 49er Silver Medalists started out with a mast float in their 49er.
I used one on windy days when I was learning the RS700. But there has been no request here that I know of and I would not recommend it.



Edited by Peter Barton - 11 Feb 15 at 5:53pm
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