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rich96 
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 Topic: New double hander advicePosted: 12 Nov 14 at 6:10pm |
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A 13 year old girl is very unlikely to be heavy or strong enough for a Fireball - its a powerful boat !
In any breeze you could really struggle. 50kg must be 30kg off even a lowish crew weight for a 'ball. At those weights you'd be better off with her helming ! (but she wouldn't be strong enough) RS 200 ? Tasar - perfect ! Edited by rich96 - 12 Nov 14 at 6:10pm |
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Medway Maniac
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Posted: 12 Nov 14 at 6:26pm |
I think you've hit the nail on the head there, Rupert. Not the only time that RS management have piled on the sail area unwisely during development, moving away from the original concept.
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Medway Maniac
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Posted: 12 Nov 14 at 6:33pm |
Very true. When I posted earlier, I only mentioned my more recent experience with my Winder Fireball. Many years earlier, I'd sailed an older, Rondar Fireball with a 12 stone crew and we'd done pretty well, winning lots of club races and even the local open, but when I started sailing with my 50kg girlfriend on the wire we were lapped by the leader at the Oxford SC open! We simply had no go upwind compared to those with more weight on the wire in a F.4+. Very frustrating. A Laser 2 was a much better fit for our weight.
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rglew
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Posted: 12 Nov 14 at 6:55pm |
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At out club there a couple of fireballs and 420s that sail occasionally but a majority of the double handers are flying fifteens, which can just be too boring.
My budget is around £1000. I think the point about the crew/helm is interesting, being a bit of a control freak I hadn't really considered it but it might make better use of our sizes. I'm looking for a boat that would allow us to experiment with that as we learn and get more used to it. Rupert makes is sound like the fireball might be the right choice for a boat that would allow is to learn the ropes but still give us decent performance once we've mastered them. Maybe being on a small lake would mean we can afford to be a little underweight?
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Rupert
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Posted: 12 Nov 14 at 7:17pm |
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I guess you'd need to choose your weather with the spinnaker, but the jib isn't huge, the hull form is fairly stable and the trapeze is great fun - I don't suppose being competitive with the big guys in a blow is an issue at the moment. I know I had a wonderful time crewing Fireballs in my late teens/very early 20s, and I bet you swap ends regularly once you get into it. My 14 year old son was looking at them the other week at Blackwater (where you would need to have a much bigger crew) and loves the idea of sailing one. Possibly just not with his dad!
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Do Different
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Posted: 12 Nov 14 at 7:57pm |
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I am sure the other posters are quite correct with regard to going well in wind but for having fun and learning I'm with all that Rupert said. Also see this http://www.yachtsandyachting.co.uk/boat-reviews/boat-tests/fireball-review/
I have always seemed to end up sailing at less than the optimum weight for the boat and know a lot of others that do and in decent winds as well. Yes ultimately a good big un will beat a good little un in a blow but that doesn't mean there is no fun to be had. I enjoy the discipline of being light, you have to think a little further ahead and ask the boat a little more nicely to do what you want.The Fireball was designed by Peter Milne with I think yourselves in mind. Okay maybe you'll need to take it easy to begin with but after a season of finding out the subtleties of managing the power and a little bicep training I guess you'll be pretty comfortable.
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Medway Maniac
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Posted: 12 Nov 14 at 8:13pm |
Looks like he got his sums wrong, then. Top teams at 2014 Fireball Nats: Pos Crew 1 (68kg) (84kg) 2 Ian Dobson (69kg) Tim Linsell (76kg) 5 Barry McCartin (66kg) Conor Kinsella (74kg) 6 Claude Mermod (65kg) Ruedi Moser (76kg) 7 David Hall (68kg) Paul Constable (75kg) 9 Alex Taylor (70kg) Tim Saunders (90kg) Don't get me wrong, I think the latest 'balls are wonderful pedigree dinghies, and if I returned to having a 75kg crew I might well get one, but the feeling of seeing people sailing away from you simply because they have more lard (alright, height and muscle in the case of that lot above) is total frustration.
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Do Different
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Posted: 12 Nov 14 at 8:13pm |
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BTW people, don't underestimate 13 year old 50 kg girls! I used to ride horses in an earlier life and from what I've seen they ain't short of strength by any means.
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Posted: 12 Nov 14 at 8:19pm |
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Come on MM, of course you are quite correct as I said. BUT, is this what rglew is asking? We're talking fun and learning here and inland.
AND At 19 and 13 years old I guess they may both get a little heavier in no time at all.
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