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    Posted: 08 Nov 14 at 9:52am
Originally posted by jeffers

Exactly the same as the Laser then. 
Possibly even at the level of PY/rig switching.  I wonder if one reason why Lasers never win handicap races at WSC is because of the PY distortion due to rig-switching nationally.
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Originally posted by jeffers

the Laser sails are (relatively) easily to distinguish from each other


They are? Not that I've noticed. and even worse if there are fake sails in the mix.

Most Radial sails have a blue head and clew (even the replicas) and are a different cut. A 4.7 has 4.7 written on it plus a large amount of boom sticking out the end.

This will of course become a little different when (if) the new Standard sail ever gets released......

If the helm has not signed on stating their rig choice and you genuinely cannot tell the difference then score them as a full rig and let them come to you.
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Originally posted by jeffers

the Laser sails are (relatively) easily to distinguish from each other


They are? Not that I've noticed. and even worse if there are fake sails in the mix.
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It would be easier if the Radial said RADIAL in big letter across it. The 4.7 does have it written on, doesn't it?
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Originally posted by jeffers

 

Exactly the same as the Laser then. The only real difference is that the Laser sails are (relatively) easily to distinguish

Actually Lasers are a pain for the RO, why should the RO have to know the subtleties of the sail panel layout and window design to destinguish a Radial from a Standard?  Even worse if you have volunteers in the race box who can hardly tell the difference between a Laser and a Solo ...  I hope RS have given some consideration to the RO's.
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Originally posted by kneewrecker

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Going off thread for a moment....That's a start but really, you need to dream of  better racing.   Sailing with others (in the same boat) is always better fun.   I see single handers as boats for working, time poor folk; which is why I sail one.Being semi or fully retired and cash rich should allow a commitment to sail with your mates.   The thing that sticks in my head was watching a good size fleet of 3 crew Etchells doing two or three races a few evenings a week in Auckland Harbour.    First start was 5 pm sharp.   They got back to the dock and the club for a few beers at dusk.  I could handle that.   


You make a very good point, I consider myself chastised for my lack of vision, and momentary lapse of respect for a 505, helmed, of course, by a really hot lingerie model with the sailing reportoire of an Ainslie training partner...

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Originally posted by Null

Exactly RS have been super clear from the start that its 3 boats and 3 different classes.  Albeit under one class umbrella.  I think rif swapping should not be encouraged as in my opinion it muddies the water.  Nothing to stop someone doing it, but I think I would want it to count as a different boat in the series and as such score seperately.

Exactly the same as the Laser then. The only real difference is that the Laser sails are (relatively) easily to distinguish from each other whereas the RS ones all look identical aside from a small number on the 'O'. RS should take a leaf out of lasers book and make them really easy to pick out. Put different coloured reinforcing on the corners or something or use a completely different coloured cloth. That way there can be no confusion for the RO over which class someone is sailing.
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Originally posted by kneewrecker

In an ideal semi-retired, time and cash rich world, my dinghy flotilla would include a Finn for light winds, a Contender for wiring weather and a D-Zero for the odd class event/piss up



Going off thread for a moment....

That's a start but really, you need to dream of  better racing.   Sailing with others (in the same boat) is always better fun.   I see single handers as boats for working, time poor folk; which is why I sail one.

Being semi or fully retired and cash rich should allow a commitment to sail with your mates.   The thing that sticks in my head was watching a good size fleet of 3 crew Etchells doing two or three races a few evenings a week in Auckland Harbour.    First start was 5 pm sharp.   They got back to the dock and the club for a few beers at dusk. 

I could handle that.



   
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Originally posted by Chris 249

[QUOTE=SimonW99] it would be tough if people in a Laser, for example, lost a series because their opposition had access to more rigs. 
It is tough when people who sail an old boat get beaten by someone because he bought a new boat which costs considerably more than a second rig, but we don't try to guilt-trip people over it. I don't really see where this attitude ends. Maybe new sails should be subject to a 5-point penalty, or somebody who up-grades their Phantom or Blaze to a carbon mast should take a hit too?

Like you, I'm not coming from the viewpoint of someone who would be disadvantaged  - as a series scorer it is a pain accounting for people swapping rigs, but if it's the same hull and there's a PY available for use, that's good enough for me.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Chris 249 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Nov 14 at 9:22pm
Originally posted by Medway Maniac

You could do both the things you suggest in your last paragraph, Chris, if your club rules allowed it. You'd not be allowed to race a windsurfer at all at WSC, though, for reasons lost in the mists of time.

Oddly, although we allow Lasers sailors to do whatever they like with rigs, I can't recall a Laser ever winning a handicap race at senior level, although some pretty good sailors have managed the odd 2nd. In fact, when rig-switching was allowed the warning was given that the permission would be withdrawn if they started cleaning up. In practice, however, they continue to enjoy sailing just the way they want to without any issues.

If I COULD do it, I wouldn't - to me it seems unsporting to win races by double dipping. I'd get the advantage of having gear that is rated slower because it is slower at the extremes, plus the advantage of using gear in its optimum wind range.


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