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    Posted: 22 Oct 14 at 10:53am
Originally posted by JimC

Ooh, haven't I touched a nerve there!!

congratulations, I hear Akela will personally sew on your trolling badge.  LOL
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Originally posted by JimC

Ooh, haven't I touched a nerve there!!

Yes well done Jim, you have.  Good Work.  You da Man have a star  Star
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I think its also worth noting that many regular posters on this forum actually own D-Zero's and as yet we have yet to really hear from an Aero owner.  I am confident we will, we all know Simon has one on order.  I expect him to be as excited as the rest of us when it arrives.  Especially if he is as happy with his purchase as i am with mine.  

I am not going into a full debate over marketing strategies again (although its obvious Jim wants another bin fight between the classes)  however James is right.  Rodney and Suntouched who were the instigators of the relationship with Devoti and Dan, who helped develop a commercial product out of one mans dream.  Cannot be accused of over hyping anything.  Rodney and his wife Sue are some of the most lovely people you will meet.  They work tirelessly in delivering excellent customer service and great products.  Rodney is also incredibly honest.  If he thinks he has cocked up or their is a fault with one of his boats he would tell you.  Flashy video's, questionable statements are not his 'bag' delivering a good product to normal people is.

Now as for RS, they work differently, that's their prerogative.  They have budget and resource to be able to offer something different.  Sure i poke at them, but you cant argue they deliver a good campaign.  My issue has always been with some of the claims made, i always felt they did themselves a disservice.  I just don't think they were needed.  As a consumer I am allowed to voice my thoughts on an open forum.  I also EXPECT to be challenged, forums are about debates, weird points of view and banter.  RS play the game and i guess they expect it, certainly from me.
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Ooh, haven't I touched a nerve there!!
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Originally posted by SimonW99

 

I don't think Devoti, Dan or Suntouched have hyped the Dzero either, just provided lots of opportunity for people to try it. 

I suspect JimC is referring to Forum traffic and as you say, its such a tiny tiny proportion of dinghy sailors, we are entirely irrelevant in the overall dinghy scene Cry

Well said Simon, the 'hype' (if you want to brand it as that) has, on the whole, come from people who actually own the boat(s) and rightly so. I love my D-Zero, it has re-ignited my love of sailing. Had it not come along and had i not got one then it is likely I would have stopped sailing.
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Originally posted by SimonW99

In fact, they appear to have cut their advertising on Y&Y, not even putting one in when it was reviewed, so could be argued that they have cut back their 'marketing' on this product in comparison to earlier years. 

that is very true too- there's a certain expectation that RS will 'market' in the way RS go about it, but I don't get the vibe it's as heavily hyped as either the 7 or 100.
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Old Timer

That is about right ... must be the most over hyped new dinghy ever ... until the Aero ...


You're forgetting the 5 tonner.

But I don't know I'd really describe the Aero as hyped compared to the stuff coming from the Devoti fanboys.

Oh really Jim.....link some of the marketing stuff from Devoti? Or the bold claims made by them Or anyone that has a commercial interest? Perhaps all the sales video clips of people lifting the boat up, maybe the review???  I will save you the time....There are very few if any!!!  .  What you see on this forum is a collection of people who have bought the boat because they have a) Seen one in the flesh (i suspect you are too busy looking at spreadsheets or trying to make smart ass comments to even know what one was) b) they have actually sailed the boat, fell in love with it and spent their hard earned money on them.

For someone who is quite clearly an intelligent man, you are very narrow minded if you think that this forum represents anything other than a very small section of the UK dinghy scene.  

If Jim's idea of hype is few enthusiasts sharing their enthusiasm on the internet, then frankly he's not living in the same world as the rest of us; and being just a tad hypocritical.  He's also being a little disingenuous- this is a dinghy development thread, and sometimes development means simplification and efficiency, not yet another marketing gimmick or some development boat elitist 'game changer' that cosigns 90% of their fleet to the history books of uncompetitiveness.     

When it comes to Devoti and Suntouched, there's certainly no commercial hype, or company released videos showing someone lifting it to the water windsurf stylee (like to see it in a good F4 cross/off), and others released, therefore endorsing bold claims about upwind planing.  And Designer Dan, lovely bloke, but not a natural salesman, which probably goes in his favour for any 'early adopters' with the burn scars. 

The D-Zero, is, in my opinion the anthesis of hype - it's nothing more than a Laser with the turds polished out.  It's a nice little boat, other than trying to get enough people together to give it some legs, and a certain amount 'so simple it's refreshing', I can't see where there's any hype whatsoever... if anything it could probably do with a bit more, but then that's not Rodney style, he'd rather drag them around the country and let people make their own minds up from sailing it than commission a professional videographer and some Facebook credit.


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If you ignore the marketing blurb on their site and the over branding and markings on the boat itself, I am not sure you could say that RS have hyped it more than anyone who launches a new product. They haven't made ridiculous speed claims to my knowledge or claimed that its the second coming of Christ.

When you build a boat that light, getting people to pick it up isn't hype, just obvious and having done it, it sure is light. 

In fact, they appear to have cut their advertising on Y&Y, not even putting one in when it was reviewed, so could be argued that they have cut back their 'marketing' on this product in comparison to earlier years. 

I don't think Devoti, Dan or Suntouched have hyped the Dzero either, just provided lots of opportunity for people to try it. 

I suspect JimC is referring to Forum traffic and as you say, its such a tiny tiny proportion of dinghy sailors, we are entirely irrelevant in the overall dinghy scene Cry
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No wonder HISC has so many solos! Wink

Having sailed both new boats, I think they deserve a bit of hype as they have moved the game on in slightly different ways and after 40 years of the laser and its one regatta use tin pole, its about time.

It will be interesting to see in 18 months time how many of these boats have been sold, but I can't remember the last time I heard about so many new 10+ boat plus fleets being started, so clearly there was a wish for a change. Lets hope they both turn out to be fully developed, robust and good to sail in all conditions. 
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Old Timer

That is about right ... must be the most over hyped new dinghy ever ... until the Aero ...


You're forgetting the 5 tonner.

But I don't know I'd really describe the Aero as hyped compared to the stuff coming from the Devoti fanboys.

Oh really Jim.....link some of the marketing stuff from Devoti? Or the bold claims made by them Or anyone that has a commercial interest? Perhaps all the sales video clips of people lifting the boat up, maybe the review???  I will save you the time....There are very few if any!!!  .  What you see on this forum is a collection of people who have bought the boat because they have a) Seen one in the flesh (i suspect you are too busy looking at spreadsheets or trying to make smart ass comments to even know what one was) b) they have actually sailed the boat, fell in love with it and spent their hard earned money on them.

For someone who is quite clearly an intelligent man, you are very narrow minded if you think that this forum represents anything other than a very small section of the UK dinghy scene.  
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