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rich96 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 20 Jan 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 596 |
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On small waters a good 12 would beat a Tasar in lighter breezes. The Tasar does not roll take as well, sticks in the light and perhaps is limited by the fully battened main in those condition s? |
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rich96 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 20 Jan 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 596 |
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The best Ok sailors are from all over the world ? There is no mystery - if Chris finds that the Tasars can beat Contenders on open water then the Contender sailors cannot be anything like as good as the Tasar sailors - there's no Aussie Tasar magic ? Edited by rich96 - 13 Oct 14 at 6:47pm |
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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It's interesting that Tasars and Contenders are getting compared, I guess it's an open water question but on open water, I don't see why you'd go without a wire, particularly upwind. In the more confined spaces then it's interesting and I wonder how both Tasars and Icon would fare against a modern N12?
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Most of those boats don't have the dominant fleet in their countries of origin. Look at the OK fleet instead?
Chris 249 appears to be suggesting that they CAN compete with the Contender - you are saying they can't - my suggestion was one explanation of the apparant dichotomy. |
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rich96 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 20 Jan 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 596 |
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No you cant ! We have world class Tasar sailors here The differences between decent Tasar club sailors and 'world class' Tasar sailors' will be nothing like the pasting that they would get off a decent Contender (in open water in breeze) - full stop. The Tasar, brilliant that it is, is a two person non trapeze, non spinnaker boat that, whilst quick, physically cannot be rocket ship fast. And - why should the Tasar be sailed any better in the country of its origin - does that apply to Contenders, Finns, Five Os, FDs etc > - No Edited by rich96 - 13 Oct 14 at 6:18pm |
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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you appear to be taking it rather too seriously. Er ...... anyway to answer your query ...with regard to ’seriously’ quite possibly (with tongue definitely in cheek much of the time .... you just don't get to know exactly when). ‘Too' seriously though ? .... with the greatest respect possibly no more than many here including you Sir ! Or could
it be the reaction of some on this forum every time a few more breadcrumbs are
dropped on the surface - and very happy to provide it occasionally we are as
well. The GL approach is not ideal, and not necessarily
the whole answer but if you wanted any more proof that the venerable PN
approach is being gently but widely challenged you don't have to look very far
any more. Nearly every major handicap event now uses the GL numbers, and
many sailing weeks are going the same way as well... Why ? Do remember this is a dinghy development forum – why on earth would we not discuss such topics here ? If it annoys bores or provokes then don’t read this thread or perhaps any threads, but if you have a positive contribution or proposal people should pitch in. So who does seek (or even benefit from) an un-questioning consensus with regard to the status quo ? Well that is exactly why forums are so useful – so things can be questioned by all us proles out here. In time change will come, it as inevitable. If the PN system becomes less and less important it really will have to adapt or die. It will not happen tomorrow.. or next year but it will eventually. We expect it to quietly evolve with regard to sample structure etc rather than be the subject of some real grass roots enquiry or headline overhaul. But change, however introduced or presented will have to come. Not ‘if’ but ‘when’ and how incrementally is the issue. When the PN system is again the default major handicap event one you will know it really has managed to evolve successfully ... hopefully for those behind the scheme this will all be in good time ! Yes – many are lobbying for change and improvement and sailing forums are obviously a useful medium. Right that’s me done for now - I’m on the wagon now (forum wise) until next
week. Life is far too short etc .... suppose that just means I’m
not taking this stuff seriously enough after all. Mike L. |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Dare I say that the fleet standard of the Tasar in its home country, where all the tricks of sailing it fast will be known throughout the fleet, might be higher than in the UK, where the few boats are quite widespread and not used to big fleet competition?
This is not an insult to UK Tasar sailors - the same applies to many classes, here and abroad. |
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rich96 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 20 Jan 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 596 |
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Clearly they cant be - on open water a decent contender in any breeze will be in a different league to a Tasar. Here a Tasar is slower than a Phanton (PY) and a Phant is way slower than a contender in the breeze. |
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Good idea, I'll put some on the shopping list. |
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iiitick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 04 Jun 14 Location: gb Online Status: Offline Posts: 478 |
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Garibaldi Jim? |
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