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    Posted: 13 Oct 14 at 9:11am
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Every class has a few key attributes ... reaching/fetching Icon with just the right amount of dangly pole is one of them.  Let the boat 'flow' and  be careful about over-sheeting .. but also be prepared for the apparent wind shifting quickly as speed builds faster than you think .. as in many other things timing is the key.  Get it right and in the groove and it is simply a fantastic boat to sail.    You find yourself looking further and further ahead ... cos you need too.

Are you on the salty stuff still ? 

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Well you get the feel for how the boat goes in isolation, but up against other better sorted Icons, you're screwed. I'm really glad I found out, it had been dogging me for weeks, I don't mind losing providing I learn from it, but until now I hadn't really.

Today it demonstrated its superior 'windy on a tight reach' speed, once the wind popped above I'm going to guess 12-14kts, we were all over the Merlin like a bad rash, the only area they clawed some of it back was downhill with their kite.

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seems a bit counter productive to have such a ropey demon boat doesn't it, with the accompanying implied criticism of the (extraordinarily well respected) builder on here by the designer its no great wonder its not really taken off. shame really,
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I agree the kicker was very poor - a sort of piece of scraggy string held in by a bolt or some such at the foot of the mast.  Unfortunately that was how it came to us from oop north.  Typical demo boat.
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Mike, have the details not been in the public domain for weeks????  https://www.facebook.com/IconCup2014?ref=br_rs
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Greame - it will always be about 'time in the boat' really.  Demo/loan boats are not always really  'loved' or sorted compared to an owner run example.  I suspect the original set-up was compromised anyway frankly.

I'm going to call you by telephone tomorrow ...  we have a rather interesting 'Icon Weekend' planned for 8/9th November at Burghfield and it would be great it you could be there as well ....  the details will be released by Sailracer in the coming week and it realy will be 'something completely different'  ... a bit of a hybrid between the FOM event and a 'rock-star fest' ... with a few beers thrown in as well.  In fact it would be even better  to have a few of the other FOM types along as well.  If it helps I'll sort out your bloody control lines to 'as they should be' if nothing more.

Anyway - pleased you got back in the Icon cockpit at last ... it gets addictive so be warned.  The IOS race was very very tough on most of us ... not one aspect in particular just the combination of wind stength, direction, stability,  tide and timing and of course the sheer length of the course made it one of the tougher ones in recent years... the fact you did not enjoy it too much this time was the common experience (Yes - we were mostly  just pleased to have got back as well !)  

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The kicker is tied to a makeshift bit of rope around the base of the mast , if that's Hunts way of doing things then as I said, you need a lesson in how to set up a boat from a windsurfer.

My new expert crew said it's a joke the way it's cobbled together and I'm inclined to agree.

It nether allows the boom to lift and goes block to block before the leech achieves any significant windward hook. I know a bit about these things now and when someone else also points them out I can't help but believe them to be fact rather than my opinion which naturally I'm never that confident in.

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The kicker was as set from the previous 'tennant' of the boat. I would say if there is not enough range then you have raked the mast more as the kicker travel range was plenty, in fact it was too much and you could very easily choke the main by having too much on.

I never had it on more than about 2 inches apart on the 2 main block assemblies after the first sail. Certainly seemed to go well enough keeping pace with Fireballs, Phantoms and the like so not bad for an unfamiliar boat.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 14 at 2:32pm
Well as a postscript our Blaze sailor has a broken kicker strop and suggested we team up in the Icon and its the first time it's been used since the Round Sheppy, having sworn never to go near it as long as I live, I changed my mind to give it another go.

The first thing we noticed as we put it together in somewhat less of a rush than the round island race, was that the mast position ws a bit loose and needed tightening up which brought the foot back a bit, this helped to tighten the rig a bit more, it's still not tight enough in my mind there's still a degree of jib sag, but it was better.
The second thing and heaven knows how I missed it but whoever set the kicker up, up at Hunts needs a lesson in kicker management, it has absolutely no range, it can neither be let totally free and comes block to block well before its maximum, in fact I'd put money on this being the reason we went too slowly down wind having to carry that much kicker.
Then we had a look at the flushing strip which whilst it looks on the surface as if it is in good condition and in place, in fact isn't it's secure from and back by all the way down, it's away from the hull, so no surprise again the off wind legs were so appalling.
Despite all this we had a bloody good race, an eye opener for me to sail with another really good crew, pete is both weighty and superbly athletic and unbelievable confident, it started off quite a light Easterly we went of a compromise start between going inshore and getting a port end flyer but risking lack of wind and starting down the starboard end out at sea in the tide. We rounded 4th and worked our way up to 2nd with the Merlin leading after a triangle and a run, then a the start of the fourth beat, they were in our sights had gone inshore out of the tide when we noticed a nice wind band coming from lightly south of east not only lifting us but increasing the wind by 10 knots.
I'm about to take the lightweights depowering routine, Pete grabs a handful of sheet with a whoop of joy and goes 'lets go' the Icon literally engaged another gear and we leapt off, the Merlin now a recent memory, it wasn't long before the Contender that had been lurking around in the light conditions, came at us on starboard as we were leading on the Port layline and we went round together. I fully expected him to do a horizon job on the tight top reach, Pete was having none of that, more sheet back down the boat we slid and it came unstuck and flew down the reach losing next to no ground to the Contender. He eventually got way on the next upwind leg but not that far and we finished a credible third after a B14 overhauled us.
It was a most enjoyable race, it's still slippy, it also badly needs sorting out, but pete now wants one and there's another couple of hot shots coming down next week for a go in it. We'll have to get those flushing strips glued back if those and the kicker were sorted, it could be a great boat, very marmite though, due to small fit out issues. At least I now know what went wrong on the sheppy race, I was really not happy losing that.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote blaze720 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Sep 14 at 10:05pm
We had 2 out at the 'Battle of the Classes' this afternoon in Southampton.... and 1 then for the Bart race that followed ... er yes not our best day I'm afraid.  In the first race we had a forestay failure just where the wire leaves the mast end teminal and .. down comes the rig....   ;-(    Stuff happens I guess .... and it was going oh so  well up to that point !

Mike and Charlotte in the other Icon ended up mid-fleet.  I suspect there were others out as well around the place ... But very well done at HISC !

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