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    Posted: 08 Oct 14 at 1:05pm
Originally posted by Blue One

Russ, Their race section and dinghy development are very similar. The difference is, on bike radar if you don't the threads in the race section there are more than twenty other active sections and hundreds of threads. Unlike y&y where there is one active section and half a dozen active threads. It's very sad watching its decline.    

then get on and post something interesting.... oh, you can't, you've got nothing interesting to contribute. 

Enjoy your Custard Cream.


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Plenty of gumph goes out to clubs with info on where to look. How spoon fed do people need to be?
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Russ, Their race section and dinghy development are very similar. The difference is, on bike radar if you don't the threads in the race section there are more than twenty other active sections and hundreds of threads. Unlike y&y where there is one active section and half a dozen active threads. It's very sad watching its decline.
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Originally posted by Rupert

Thats the stuff, Jim - why don't the RYA write something like that so clubs know what is going on? Oh, yes, you have...

But thats the problem....People at sailing clubs are not aware there is anything changed.  So they are happy in their ignorance.  Why not print the attached and send it out for circulation.  Maybe a big publicity drive to make people more aware.  At the moment all i see is forum traffic here.  Given as its probably the most popular form f club racing now, it needs more focus to help get things right!
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Ah, I wondered what sky dopping was - wondered if there was a r missing, never occurred to me it was an extra p. Yes, I can see that would cause similar round in circles arguements, but in this case, the yardsticks affect what many of us do on a Sunday morning, whereas I assume doping is very rare indeed for Sunday morning cyclists?
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Blue One, i dont read the threads about doping.  So i guess the analogy works, if i see a thread heading that way i just click back and look at the your bikes section!
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I often wonder, it doesn't keep me up late, but I do ponder occasionally what the Tea Party do find interesting, what could we possibly discuss that would have some positive input from them?

This is all (relatively) new to me I realise y'all have been round the block several times and had your enthusiasm crushed, but I still think if enough noise and discussion gets made, somewhere, in the darker reaches of some dusty corner of the Royal Yacht Squadron or wherever it is Mr RYA has dozed off knocking his medication off the arm of his chair, a flunky might dare to give him a shake.. 'they're stirring your worship, they're not happy and we didn't make our figures this year..'

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Originally posted by Null

Trouble is people on this forum take things personally. In my experience its pretty unique to this board.  They shouldn't, there really are very few personal jibes IMO.
However the PY debate, like it or not, will keep rumbling.  Its such an emotive subject, with very little understanding by the wider dinghy community.  Its also big business nowadays.  i guess most club races are now handicap led, so i can understand peoples frustrations.
Personally I am glad to see some big shake ups of historic bandit classes, sure its the systems fault not theirs.  However its not healthy for the sport.
Perhaps it would make sense for the RYA to publish a book/brochure around the PY system for dummies, highlighting some of the myths, explaining how the system works and more importantly what the clubs should be doing to aid the system do its job.  If there was a greater understanding across the whole dinghy community then people would put a more reasoned pressure on their sailing club to fall in-line with the system correctly.
As for people getting bored with the PY debate, i am afraid its the most popular subject for a reason.  People like talking about it.  So the only way round things is to start new threads about other aspects of the sport.  Sadly until such time as new topics which interest people are bought up we will keep going round in the same circle!


Russ, as a user of bike radar, you know the py argument is the same as the sky doping argument that pops up in loads of threads. In that one people just post pictures of rocks when their bored with it. I can do that if you'd rather.
As grf and James say when they post rubbish, its a forum,if you don't like it, ignore it.

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Originally posted by JimC

>Book/brochure

This sort of stuff? http://www.rya.org.uk/racing/Pages/portsmouthyardstick.aspx


Yes yes yes we've all read it, what they don't tell you is how the national numbers are awarded and why, do the Great Lakes numbers affect it or not, ask Jim he'll say not, ask someone else they'll say maybe, someone else will fudge with 'oh if the individual clubs submit their returns then yes they do.'

Do we actually know how the Icon got to be stuffed, why have other boats never moved since 2008 (the year zero before they appeared to start with their meddling).

Lack of transparency invokes *Fullers Razor.

I'll find out when we get the Royal Visit, or maybe I won't, because 'they' don't tell him either, or blame will be apportioned to stats, which is a dead easy cop out, 'oh it's not us', the stats make it happen, when there are enough folk with enough experience and enough common sense to know, some of the resulting number lately are ridiculous and somebody should have stepped in.

No I don't want to start meddling like Redoubt, winning because you have some locally awarded personal handicap is worse than losing because your boat handicap is a bit harsh for the prevailing water/conditions/body shape.

And stability.. Stability is what is required handicaps, especially average handicaps should not move so violently, wether the sport is globally dumbing down or not.

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Originally posted by Rupert

 

But I think I might have a word with our rear com sailing to see if we can do some results using bandings to see what happens.

it's worth a try- but I fear without a disregard for the CT, it won't make a difference as it would always be seen as a 'pointless exercise' by some.

The other up-side is just think how much of reduction on resources would be needed to run racing.  All that timing and average laps nonsense, I'm sure I'm not the only one who's had to 'fill in the blanks' when I forgot to record a time properly from the race hut.... 

It would be SO much easier just to record the finish positions, and everyone knows how well they did on the water, not in three days time once the numbers are crunched.    I think this would provide far more social cohesion too.  
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