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    Posted: 01 Aug 14 at 9:04am
Originally posted by Bootscooter





I couldn't agree more, I'm constantly wondering

And the idiots won't change.

What was it Einstein said about Insanity and doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

Strikes me that perfectly sums up the system.
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I don't understand, quite why Devoti are no longer involved but if I were them and had invested in moulds for such little return, I'd be reaching for the lawyers, so I should think they would continue building (if there were demand) and I doubt under EC law anyone could prevent UK purchasers buying from them, that's what the EU means.
As far as the class or any future class is concerned surely the more builders the merrier, lets face it if Rodney hadn't organised this demo for us, I doubt this thread would have gotten quite the momentum it has, every time I try to enlighten the darkness of dinghy mentality it seems to provoke controversy.

What is it about them I wonder that makes them so difficult to enlighten.
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Icon manufacture .... and futures.

An official announcement will be made in August by the new Icon builder and by Cirrus (as design rights holder).   The details have remained 'dry' for a considerable time but as they are starting to 'leak out' now ..... 

A number of commercial changes and some technical Icon spec related ones were, in our judgement at least, totally necessary and needed addressing without delay.   Cirrus and the CA have therefore been working behind the scenes with another specialist builder for many months now to ensure a secure and certain future for Icon.

We would of course prefer it if Devoti continued to build and market boats in mainland Europe alongside the new builder supplying here and in other overseas markets but ultimately it is their call and they do see the market rather differently today.  Devoti still own an official set of core Icon tooling and under our agreement with them they can join with us again in the future if they wish under the agreed terms.

Double handed boats are possibly in relative decline it is true - but at Cirrus we believe this is in part cyclical and partly down to demographic changes and the marketing approach now required.

 Mike L. (Cirrus Raceboats Limited)



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If Icon sales have not met expectations it may just be an indicator of the decline of double handed boats.
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Bit harsh, this thread has made me consider the Icon as a possibility for the first time, however I would only consider it with a quality builder ... Devotti, Ovy or Winder 
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I'm now utterly bored by all this moaning about the Icon and its PY/EN ... lets face it who cares ... hardly anyone has ever raced against one and only a tiny % of clubs will see them as so few have sold and now Devoti have pulled out things look worse ...
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Originally posted by iGRF



For exactly the reason I just gave in the other thread, the system is supposed to be a fair average from a variety of abilities and venues, if it is to be one figure used by all.



All of which means it will never be right, as an average will either be generous in some conditions and will penalise you in others, and that guys is sailing, get used to it.
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But you are taking the numbers too literally.... what this shows is that sailor 'over performed' significantly more in the Icon at this number than any other class he has sailed.  Why that isn't converted into something wholly positive from a marketing POV is utterly bewildering?!?

In real terms- it will make you a better sailor because the Icon is so simple you can get on with sailing and forget the fannying about!!!!




Edited by kneewrecker - 31 Jul 14 at 10:15am
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