The Tasar v the Icon

Originally posted by DaveT You've made a fast simple boat, congratulations :) You're angry other people acknowledge you've made a fast simple boat, odd :s You make personal attacks against people who put a masses of time and energy into the sport, hope it makes you feel good because its hard to see how it will sell any boat

I think you may have wrongly accused Mike of the anger and personal attacks, they are coming from me. I can do this, I have no commercial involvement, I believe the system that awards these 'handicaps' is wrong, morally, & ethically, it also loans itself to such accusations due to lack of transparency and the behind closed doors in smoked filled rooms nature of its application.

There is an easy solution to it, I don't know how many times it has to be presented to 'them' but if it were, and the formula open to scrutiny then there could be no adverse comments, the rest of the system could continue, local clubs could vary it if they have the political clout to do so and there would be no 'personal' attacks.

Now we need people like Mike, Rodney, RS, to continue to innovate rather than warm over old dross in the hope of sales through temporary handicap advantage, at the moment the system encourages just that, products for the dubious of character, whilst those of us happy to purchase a brand new untried and tested boat are then punished for doing so by a petty small minded and protectionist elite.

That's why they are being attacked for being that way.

Edited by iGRF - 30 Jul 14 at 8:55am

It is possible to make an educated guess though (for those with education). I have never seen a D Zero in the flesh but looking at pictures and specification it should be just a bit faster than a Supernova. Similarly Icon should be faster than Tasar (if it wasn't there would be little point in making it) looks like sub 1000 to me, say 900?

Originally posted by iiitick It is possible to make an educated guess though (for those with education). I have never seen a D Zero in the flesh but looking at pictures and specification it should be just a bit faster than a Supernova. Similarly Icon should be faster than Tasar (if it wasn't there would be little point in making it) looks like sub 1000 to me, say 900?

Sorry for going O/T, but I predict one of the beautiful things that D-Zero owners will come to appreciate is the accessibility of the boat across the wind range.  It will do very well in light winds, (all of us who've sailed like its 'get up and go', even the portly among us seem to be defying Dan's initial view on weight range).  It will perform on the sea judging from feedback from the Punk and it's (from what I can tell) vice free, that sailing in heavy airs will be something to enjoy rather than something to endure.

I think it was a Peaky's analysis that gave the number in the same ball park.  However you would hope that the two analyses wouldn't be very different.  [Somewhere I coded up Dan's analysis so I could do some comparison with the local numbers my analysis generated - I'll see if I can find it again - but its probably two broken lap tops ago!]

One caveat - with this type of regression analysis you need to be careful with points at either end, and with the Icon being at the far left (fastest) for this category of boat you would need to look at the data quite carefully.