The Tasar v the Icon

Still struggling to understand the marketing approach

Marke - And I don't understand your subject change now either.  You presented the case of a single Icon as indicative of what precisely ?   And if not of anything relevent what was your purpose ? You must have known it had the potential to mislead with a sample size of ONE yet where was any real the statistical 'health warning' ?   If you crunch numbers professionally then I would suggest you very well understood what you were doing.  In other words do you still think it was a balanced point that you made ?

But moving on ... as we must.  You ask about 'marketing' now - what on earth has that got to do with your presentation of partially processed numbers as fact ?    Or are you now implying that Icon owners and others interested commercially in the boat simply don't pose awkward questions in case it damages sales ?   Well we have no problem with anyone suggesting that Icon is pretty fast and in fact it does raise profile .....  However if you think we are going to 'knuckle down' and not raise legitimate concerns then you are likely to be proved wrong. 

Other 'new' classes will soon be subject to the same process and are likely to be far far more vocal on the subject !   All they and we want is fair handicap numbers that reflects average performance in average boats with average crews...  Good ....Yes or No ? 

Now why not simply borrow an Icon yourself - risk reputation as we do constantly and  'have a go' yourself  !  What you go to lose ?  I'm sure the rather able Icon helm Paul Bartlett (for it is he at Starcross) will help out if you are local and if he cannot we or the CA will.   None of us bite and who knows you might even like it.

Mike L.

 

      




Edited by blaze720 - 29 Jul 14 at 7:32pm

Although will Devoti still be building Icons when the mystical new builder gets announced?

Originally posted by blaze720 Still struggling to understand the marketing approach Marke - And I don't understand your subject change now either.  You presented the case of a single Icon as indicative of what precisely ?   And if not of anything relevent what was your purpose ? You must have known it had the potential to mislead with a sample size of ONE yet where was any real the statistical 'health warning' ?   If you crunch numbers professionally then I would suggest you very well understood what you were doing.  In other words do you still think it was a balanced point that you made ?

Yep I was very clear about the numbers and the data I was using.  I think we have enough data to say that the calls for a PN of 1000 are not realistic.  You may disagree - your prerogative.

But moving on ... as we must.  You ask about 'marketing' now - what on earth has that got to do with your presentation of partially processed numbers as fact ?    Or are you now implying that Icon owners and others interested commercially in the boat simply don't pose awkward questions in case it damages sales ?   Well we have no problem with anyone suggesting that Icon is pretty fast and in fact it does raise profile .....  However if you think we are going to 'knuckle down' and not raise legitimate concerns then you are likely to be proved wrong.

I was very clear in my original post that I thought you had achieved a lot with the Icon and a change of marketing strategy from whining about the PN might be beneficial - as I hope a future owner at some point I stand by that.

Other 'new' classes will soon be subject to the same process and are likely to be far far more vocal on the subject !   All they and we want is fair handicap numbers that reflects average performance in average boats with average crews...  Good ....Yes or No ?

How can you give an accurate average to a new boat - follow the logic.  By the way it isn't an average - its an average of about the top 60% of performances.  For what its worth I would support a regression analysis for EN analysis - probably Dan's rather than Peaky's as you need some sort of "design goodness factor" to deal with target the design was aimed at. This would be easier for both developers and the RYA.  Remember also that this would not have been very different for the EN set for the Icon.  The regression analysis must not continue to full PN numbers though as you would quickly have designers gaming the system.

Now why not simply borrow an Icon yourself - risk reputation as we do constantly and  'have a go' yourself  !  What you go to lose ?  I'm sure the rather able Icon helm Paul Bartlett (for it is he at Starcross) will help out if you are local and if he cannot we or the CA will.   None of us bite and who knows you might even like it.

Already organised - just need to fix a date.  I'm sure I will enjoy it - my type of boat.  Class stance - not so sure.



Edited by marke - 29 Jul 14 at 8:56pm

You've made a fast simple boat, congratulations :)

Originally posted by 2547 Originally posted by kneewrecker Although will Devoti still be building Icons when the mystical new builder gets announced? Eh? Why move production away from one of the best?